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Welcome to Inclusion Bites, your

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sanctuary for bold conversations that spark change. I'm

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Joanne Lockwood, your guide on this journey of exploration into the

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heart of inclusion, belonging, and societal

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transformation. Ever wondered what it truly takes to create a

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world where everyone not only belongs Bites thrives?

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You're not alone. Join me as we uncover the

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unseen, challenge the status quo, and share

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stories that resonate deep within. Ready to dive

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So adjust your earbuds and settle in. It's time to

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ignite the spark of inclusion with Inclusion Bites.

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And today is episode 111

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with the title Hydrating Humanity. And I have the absolute honor

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and privilege to welcome Hannah Bellamy. Hannah is the

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managing director of Charity Water. When I asked Hannah to

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describe her superpower, she said, getting people to

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see and care about ongoing issues in the

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world. Hello, Hannah. Welcome to the show. Hi, Jo.

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Thanks so much for having me. Absolute pleasure. So, Hannah,

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hydrating humanity, that is sounds like a fascinating thing. So tell

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us more. Yeah. Of course. So hydrating

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humanity, I think what lots of people don't realize

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is that while we all need water, not everybody has access to

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it. So there's 703,000,000 people living around the world who

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don't have access to clean water, And it's not just

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about being able to drink it Wellbeing able to Joanne, you know, 10

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on the tap and drink that water. Not having clean water

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is an issue which affects education. It affects

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opportunity. It's the biggest killer of children under the age of 5. And,

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really, it's a social injustice which affects women

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and girls in particular. Those are some staggering numbers. Yeah. Biggest killer of

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children under the age of 5. Yeah. Wow. That and

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703,000,000 people Yeah. Across the globe not having

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access to clean water. I suppose what's going on in my head and the Bites

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and see stereotypes are probably in my head is poverty in Africa, but it

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goes beyond that, doesn't it? It does go beyond that.

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So it it can happen in in all sorts of places and and pop up

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in different pockets. So, you know, we'll definitely find that in some

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vast countries so if you think in North America, for example, there'll be areas where

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people don't have piped water to their homes. But

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see, as an organization, Charity Water, we do focus on countries that are

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low down on the UN's human development index because those are where

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people really need help. So about about 80% of our work is in Africa,

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about 20% in Southeast Asia, but that's not where the problem is completely

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isolated to. I mean, we hear about it now, unfortunately, in war zone

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situations. That's not the type of thing we go and fix because

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for us, we're working in places where we want to have long term systemic

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change to help remove people from the poverty that you're

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imagining. So clean water is the first step to help people remove people from

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poverty. Yeah. Because it is a it's a tool in warfare, isn't it, where

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you remove utilities? So you remove sanitation,

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food, water supply in order to get

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your opposing side to capitulate or give

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in through suffering, starvation, dehydration. So, yeah,

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I'd never really put it in that context before. But it's it

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is it is one of those tools. And I guess if you go back I'm

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just thinking we jo back into ancient medieval history. We've got

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see to starve people out of their castle, didn't see? And through, like, a war.

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see. Yeah. Which feels like it in some ways, there's

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instances similar to that now perhaps. But

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the the interesting thing there is because because when people read it in the

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news and it's happening in that type of war scenario, it feels

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like something new, and people are horrified by it. People are horrified by the

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idea of not having access to clean water in that situation.

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But what I want people to do is is to take that horror

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and think, actually, there's people around the world. Like I said, that's 700 over

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700,000,000 people like that on a day to day basis.

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And, really, it it it's something we know how to fix. So what I really

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want people to do is to hear that and think, oh my goodness. That's that's

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shocking. How can we allow that to happen? And oh my goodness. It's

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something we can change if we just invest in the right way. We can fix

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this problem, and we can save those children under 5. We can impact those women's

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lives. So it it's it's how do we take that that

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horror and and refocus it into action. And is there a I mean,

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you emphasize the the the word clean water.

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Mhmm. Is there a a marked difference between

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clean water, dirty water, and no water? So a lot of these areas

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may have water Mhmm. But it's not suitable for for

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drinking or or sanitary to clean and washing. Is is

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that is that the challenge? Or having water at all is the challenge? In

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the countries, we work in both, and it can change wildly

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between seasons, rainy season, dry season, everything like that. So if

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you think about somewhere like Bangladesh, there are instances where definitely

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there is too much water. It's just not the right water, so it can be

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extremely dirty. And, actually, what we need to do is think about clean

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water Inclusion, which are adaptable in times

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of flooding, but that still reach the clean water as opposed

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to the dirty water, which is flooding. There's other places we work

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where in the Sahel region, the desert

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region in I always Happen Gennifer Eats. How did see?

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In West Africa, which where it's a really harsh

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condition. It's not in the dry season. It there is no water. I mean, you

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can dig really, really deep down. And what we find is people

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there may have really old wells, which they're

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able to sometimes gather water from, but they can dry up, and the water that

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does come is really dirty. And they've usually walked miles and

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spent hours, which is why women see affected, to collect that water. So what we

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want to do is drill deep down to a stable place in the

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water table and make it simple to pump that water up to the surface and

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then to have that water source close to people's homes. So women

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hot ground, long distances, often unsafe. So

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what we do hear about is is different forms of violence they they could encounter

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to collect water, back breaking work to bring it back, and you think balancing

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it there on your head or or or sometimes strapping it to the back, bringing

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it home, having that water be dirty, having that make your children sick,

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having that make you sick, and then have to do and do it again and

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multiple times a day. So for us, it has to be a sustainable clean water

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source within 30 minutes round round trip, whole trip. We want to take less than

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30 minutes when people need to get water, and it has to be Safety, and

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it has to be clean. But what what I just heard you say there is

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so women are are making this journey potentially half a day

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And when they're bringing the water back, that water

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itself is not necessarily clean. It it can also be dirty as well.

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So they've gone to get this water, and now they're bringing in

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dirty water. How do they will they boil it? Will they sanitize

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it somehow? Or they just, you know, just be dirty and they they consume it

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as is? Again, different communities will have different

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ways of doing it. Sometimes they'll filter it through some cloth, which obviously would

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remove some of the larger debris, but not

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the germs. And that's the real issue because often what we'll see

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so there's a woman called Malatani who lives in Malawi.

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She used to walk up and down this this

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quite intrepid ravine in her flip flops to go and collect

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water from a stream. It was a stream that would be

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really a trickle at certain points. So she's there, you have to dig

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down, get in a queue, take that water from it from the source.

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What around that will be goats,

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cows, whatever whatever other animals want to

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come. And so if a cow is weeing in

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that water, pushing it through a cloth, which may not be clean

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in itself, is not removing the germs. It will

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remove some of the leaches, the the, you know, other nasty Bites,

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see everything else, but it's not Change, safe water. But the pollution predominantly

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in these sources, because their water holes is likely to be

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animals' animal waste, both

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yeah. And human waste, I guess, in some areas Yep.

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River pollution and things. Exactly. Animal waste, human waste,

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whatever pollution has been in there. I mean, it's it would be so for me,

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where I live, my closest water source would be see River Thames. So it would

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be like me walking down to the Thames, taking water from

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that, and using that for my family. And I

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wouldn't, Bites you you just think I wouldn't, but there's no choice within

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this matter. Yeah. Water is so fundamental to life. Is what

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Yeah. Exactly. You can go hungry, but you can't go thirsty for more than a

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few days, can you? No. No. Exactly. You can't. And then you also you then

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you start to realize it's not only that. It's it's keeping clean,

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keeping everything else around you clean and and the the the

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additional health benefits that provides and the dignity as well.

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Just feeling clean with yourself that your clothes aren't dirty, that you're

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not that you're not not dusty. And we we find that

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often in in the communities where we work, there's real

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pride after receiving King Water because people are able to find that dignity.

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I, I visited see fairly early on within my 1st

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year working at Charity Water. I went to Ethiopia to the northern

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region called Tigray. I went to a couple of different communities within a day, and

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I found it was the first time I saw it so starkly. The first community

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that we visited, the children had clean water. It was somewhere we'd

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we'd worked. We'd we'd delivered a clean water source. Our local partner was working

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there. And everybody in in both communities,

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hugely welcoming, people dancing. It's, you know, it's a

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joyous moment when see go into these communities and and and meet with people and

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talk and hear their stories. In that first community,

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everybody's dressed in these beautiful vibrant fabrics. They're dancing

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around there, and you can see the the shine in the children's eyes. We had

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a football match. You're you're doing all these things. The next community,

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we we we drove along see very dirt roads, couldn't get up there. And we

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had to sort of hike up some some mountainsides and and go meet the children

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there, and they didn't have clean water. We walked down to a sort

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of stream where they were able to collect water if it was Diversity. We saw

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that and what it looked like and how they collected it, you know, scoops they

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were using and everything else. But the biggest contrast was

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just Safety vibrant cloth

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underneath, but very dusty and dirty. The children's faces,

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you know, they weren't able to keep themselves clean in the same way, the hair,

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everything else. see you soon realize it's Bites yes. It's about health and in and

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drinking and the hydration side of it. It's also just about how you want to

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live in the comfort level and the dignity it brings. What what are

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the what are the symptoms? Or so you you've had drinking

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and consuming or washing and bathing in in unclean water.

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What what does that do to the human body in these cases? Is it is

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it dysentery, cholera, all these kind of diseases and

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things? All sort I mean, all sorts of diseases in it. It's an endless

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list. What we see very often and what affects these the young children in

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particular, it it's diarrhea. So they

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have extremely runny stomachs. And,

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unfortunately, in a situation where you're not able to then have enough water and keep

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consuming enough water or if the water you're then consuming is also making you

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sick, diarrhea can be fatal. And that's the really,

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really sad thing. You know, to generally hear if my

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kids get diarrhea, it's a very unpleasant experience, but that's the end of

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it. Bites it's maybe 24 hours, 48 hours of discomfort,

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not very pleasant, but we're able to and and then the idea that actually

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in some in another country, the only water

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that that that if I was the mother would be able to give to my

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child could continue exacerbating that, and their child can die, which does

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Happen. It's it's heartbreaking. Bites I've been lost at see, and you've got all that

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salt water around you and they'll Yes. Drink something. Yeah.

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Yeah. Heartbreak. When you're when

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someone's got water that is in various I

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mean, not all dirty water is is equal, I guess. There must be hierarchies

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of really, really dirty to Mhmm. Okay.

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So there must be different treatments and different ways of of tackling different

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pollutants, I guess. So what what does it cost? I mean, I'm

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I'm in my head, I'm thinking that that little tablets or

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something you put in the water to disinfect or to clean. Is that

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is that the sort of solutions you're you're looking at to clean water, if you

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like? It's not. So because what we're trying to do is

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search Charity Water every single time we work in a community, and

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we work with a local partner. So we don't do the work ourselves. We fund

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local organizations to do Happen. And we want to and we do put

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a pin on a map on our website with GPS coordinates, and we say this

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community now has clean water. So it can't be

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something which could run out in that way. So it looks different in every

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community because it has to be appropriate both to the water source, but also

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to what's appropriate for that community in terms of can they get the right

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nuts and bolts to fix it and maintain things. So in some places,

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it's digging down to like I said, we're so we get we need to be

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able to get a truck in there, have it really drilled deep down,

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find the water, and that water then will be clean usually. So once you get

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down to the in the groundwater, it's going to be clean. Pump it up.

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traces of of unwanted things coming through from that

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water. And and then that that's drinkable water. That's potable water. In

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other places, it is a a case of having a a filter. And,

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actually, you ask what it costs. So, again, it varies

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per thing. But a typical, you know, drilling a well with a hand pump,

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that's gonna be about £8,000, £10,000. In other places, so

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Cambodia, for example, we use a biosand filter program

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in lots of places we're working. And in that, it we're helping

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community members to build their own

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filters, which will work within their homes. And, again, how to maintain that, how does

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that and we know they're working for 10 10 plus years,

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if this structure that has then been built within their homes, and they can collect

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water, pour it in there, and it will come out completely clean.

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But the dirty water itself looks different in different contexts. We actually got our

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our creative team. So we are in Bangladesh at the moment, and they did something

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we haven't done for quite a while, which was take microscope with them. And they

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took a microscope, and they've taken it into one of the schools, and they've got

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some of the water that the kids were drinking, and they put it

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under the microscope and there are things moving. You know, it's it's

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alive, that water that they're drinking, all different shapes and sizes and, you

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know, that that's reactive. And you look at that and you think, I don't wanna

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drink that and put that in my body. And then they look at what they've

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used there, and that's another fill a different type, but another filtration system, and they're

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able to see that there's nothing there. It's just it it's dead,

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which doesn't sound good, but that's what you want with your water. You do not

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want living things in your water. Jo so dead things are good? In

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that way, yeah. So, yeah, in that way. So it's about

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killing off the bacteria or the the micros,

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because when they're alive, they react with the gut, and that's what the

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cause of diarrhea, etcetera. But Yeah. Yeah. Dead things are inert then, and they go

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straight through. And then Yeah. And when I say dead, I just mean there's nothing

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there. see they've actually been filtered out. So knowing that you've killed them, they've literally

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just they've got caught. They're no longer within that. They said that it it just

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doesn't look alive. The water doesn't look alive like it does when you Oh, okay.

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When you get yeah. It's not it's not the swimmy things that are now in

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a No. They don't no. No. No. There are no swimmy things anymore.

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Right. So don't want swimmy things. I'm I'm fascinated

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by how the water that you're drilling down

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is clean because, you know, it's obviously in the earth in the in the

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Mhmm. There's gonna be dust and bits and pieces in it, And presumably,

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water must filter through the earth

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Mhmm. Permeate down, and those and that would bring down

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pollutants with it. Or or is this coming or these water tables coming from

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from rainfall through clean Diversity, from the top of mountains all the way under

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in underground? Is that is that is that how they get cleaned through through evaporation

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and then perspiration down? Right. This is slightly beyond my this is

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probably why we're at local partners. So my hydrogeology is

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minimal, but I know it is keen. And often I it what it is, I

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think, is it's gone through so many layers of rock. So a bit like when

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we put the biosand filters in in in Cambodia, it's a similar thing

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where it's gone through so many layers of rock to get there that it's become

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clean. And, also, it's dark down there, everything. There's no light to

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encourage any life in that sense. So it's also had had

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that experience, but I am that that's a piece I'm not I'm not very

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well involved on. I'm just curious. No. I I I get

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that. Yeah. I suppose you got all that pressure. You got the the the

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filtration, as you say. There's there's no light. It's probably a bit cold as

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well. Yeah. Yeah. So what are the what

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what are the challenges? I mean, obviously, I guess, money is a challenge.

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Mhmm. But there must be logistical challenges because you're

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often working in very rural or out the way

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areas. These these communities are are not on the main road. So you you

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probably have to find them and and and put

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infrastructure in there and electricity maybe, they may not have

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that either. Yes. Jo most communities won't have electricity, and that would

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often come after water. So often what we find is that after clean

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water comes, the next step within a community may be to replace

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their roofing. If they've had straw roofs and things like that, There's enough money. They

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will replace it with tin roofs. So it's, it's better

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in terms of keeping the rain out and things like that. Then the next

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step often may be something like electricity, but that that usually comes a

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little bit later. In terms of logistical challenges,

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I think we're we're so lucky in our model and that we work with local

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experts and local partners because they're able to that they know the best

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solution, and they they know how to adapt their

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work for for for the environment. So

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they they overcome those. Also, so many

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we come across. So, the woman I mentioned earlier, when our

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team first went to her community, they were really

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keen to have clean water because they'd seen it in a neighbouring village, and they

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really wanted clean water within their own village. But

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while you don't need the electricity to drill down, you do need a considerable sized

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rig. You know, the type of rigs you'd normally see on a building site or

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something else, they need to be able to get 100 of meters down in down

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to the ground. So it's a huge training piece on it. It needs to

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come through. It's run on diesel or whatever else it is, and it needs to

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be able to get right down in there. And so what they didn't have

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was a road for for the for this drilling rig to be able to get

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there. And, actually, the ravine, which they'd been walking

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over militalia and her friends have been walking over and and and navigating to be

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able to get their stream water from is what is what the issue

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was because you can't you couldn't build a road over that very easily.

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So to overcome that, it's not us overcoming that. Actually, people

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really want water. So when they realised that was an issue and a a

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villainy and a necrosis, what they decided to do

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was every family within that community nominated one

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family member to work together and build a road, and they did.

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And they they gathered all the materials. They they they did it. And so our

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local partner will go in and support them and make sure they're planning it right.

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Is it going to work, the drilling rig? How does this you know, they know

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because they've done it in other communities, the different, you know, layers of dirt

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and rocks and everything else you need. So they'll work with them to do that,

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but but it's it's off it's often this partnership. So it's us, it's our local

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partners and experts, and then it's the community themselves that are all working together to

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bring clean water and overcome any of the difficult challenges. And then the

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challenges we face the bigger challenge for me, the fan

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challenges we face is a bit like I mentioned earlier about when we we think

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about wartime and people not having clean water, that's a

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shock, and so the world pays attention. I was

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reading just yesterday about habituation

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and that there's as humans, we are

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it's a bit like boiling a frog in the sense that we we become used

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to something. We stop seeing it, and that's what's happened with these

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type of issues. And, unfortunately, when I often use

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the statistic that it's it's the leading killer of children under the age of 5

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because if you said someone to someone,

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do you want to fix the the biggest killer of children under the age of

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5? Do you want to neutralize that, save those children's lives? Nursery school aged kids.

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Everyone will say, yeah. Everyone wants to do Happen, and we can do

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that. But they don't see it and hear it anymore because this is an

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ongoing you know, throughout our lifetime, there

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has there's been this issue. I suppose I grew up well, I'm a bit maybe

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didn't grow up, but I was around with Live Aid and Bob Geldof

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and Feed the World and images of

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African young African children with pot bellies, malnutrition

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Yeah. And the drought related because, obviously, the

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drought causes lack of crops and lack of food. So it's kind of it's a

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bit of everything, really. So you not only are you trying to give

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people water to drink, you've also gotta find water to grow

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crops and other things, which is again Yep. A massive challenge in its own right.

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And you can't be putting sewage contaminated

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water on crops because of that, again, just creates the problem in there as

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well. So it it's it's the whole I I get it. It's it's the whole

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cycle Yeah. Of humanity that living in those communities,

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giving them life. Yeah. And it's almost, you know, using

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Maslow as an example is the the hierarchy of needs. It's that really basic.

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You can't, as you said, you can't wash your face or clean your clothes

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Yeah. If you haven't got enough water to drink, and it it reflects in their

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personas how you perceive them. So Yeah. Yeah. And you can't wash your hands,

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which I think, you know, during COVID, that's something we all became very

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aware of was and we've always known it, but the importance of washing your

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hands throughout the day at a particular moment. So if you can't wash your

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hands, the spread of diseases, you know, it increases. You kinda take

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it for granted, don't you? That, you don't even think about washing your

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hands. You you just it becomes there's the tap. I mean, we get

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frustrated if we go into the toilet, and there's the soap dispenser doesn't work with

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you. Yeah. And and try it off. Yeah. I'm I'm not gonna walk

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out with shaking my hands and get the drips off. Waving our hands jo the

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sensors to try and get the water to you know, all those things these days.

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see. Those first world problems that we get kind of Mhmm. Excited

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about really doesn't work. And, these people were they don't have

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the luxury of having water to drink, let alone to wash their hands in the

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Yeah. Exactly. So where where do you get most of your

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funding from? Because it it's this is not this is not a cheap thing, is

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it? This is this is big big infrastructure investment. How do you how do

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you raise the funds for this? see as a as a normalization as a charity,

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we have a unique model. So we have 2 separate bank accounts. We

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have the water bank account, and then we have the overheads bank account. And the

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reason we do this is is we our founder, Scott Harrison, when he first set

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up the charity, he he realized that people don't

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trust charities. It's a real problem that people think I don't know where my

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money is going. I you know, especially when it's going overseas,

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what's happening with it? How do I know it's gone to the right place? How

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what who's saying for your laptop? I've you needed to fly here. You know, our

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team have fly places. What does how much is that costing? So to

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overcome all of that, we have these 2 separate bank accounts, water and

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overheads. And if you went on our to our website today, if anyone decided to

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go onto the website and give to Charity Water, a 100% of

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that money will go into our water bank account. We take that and we

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grant every single penny. We even refund any credit card fees or anything

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else. We'll go to our local partners and be invested in Clean Water Solutions.

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So that money comes from a a couple of different places.

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So a lot of it comes from everyday

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people. So we have people who learn about this and they really want to

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make a difference, so they'll sign up to what we call the spring, which is

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to give every single month. Jo I always think of it as, like, a

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subscription for good. You give you've got your Netflix. You've got whatever else it is

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you're giving to every month. You sign up there and actually give every single month

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and know that you're doing good in the world. A 100% of it has gone

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up over there. So we have that. We do have people who fundraise,

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who do races, who do any you know, whatever it is

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that's fun for them. So so they go and fundraise again, 100%.

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And then we have businesses we work with, so people like

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Uniqlo, Stanley, the the drink vessels, a

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number of other different businesses, Aveda, the hair salons. They

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will give to us either they're fundraised with their employees or their or their

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customers, or they will from their corporate donations.

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And then the final piece would be welfare individuals who are able to

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say, I want to sponsor clean water for 1 community or clean water

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for 1 school or clean water for 1 health Inclusion. And then we'll work with

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them on that and provide them with that reporting process to say, great. Okay.

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You want to give £10,000. I have projects that need funding

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in Malawi, Rwanda, etcetera etcetera, and I

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work with them on the list and and watch that. You know? And so we'll

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work together to to make sure that matches. So that's the the

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water, and that's the bulk of what we do and the bulk of what we

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see. But we always have to balance it, obviously, with our overhead.

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And so the majority of our overhead is funded by the, again,

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those wealthy donors. So philanthropists, they've often been founders of

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businesses, been very successful. They understand investing

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in the business processes and systems and structures and stuff

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to generate and be the engine of doing the rest of it. So they sign

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up to what we call the well. They give to us usually once a year

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for 3 years plus or commit 3 years, and they're very much part of our

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community. We report to them a bit like investors, so there is no return for

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them beyond the amazing feel good. And this is how many people we've impacted this

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year thanks to investing, but that money comes from there. And then we do

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actually also add in Gift Aid now to that as well because it's much more

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sustainable way of us of us growing. Because otherwise, you can you can

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be in you you don't always balance out. Otherwise, the water can do really well.

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You need to make have the overhead doing just as well to be able to

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use that money effect. I like that. That's quite a really enlightening

442
00:27:06.360 --> 00:27:09.880
governance model to do that and fundraising model. Because too often

443
00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:13.100
charities get, criticized for Mhmm.

444
00:27:14.445 --> 00:27:18.285
Salaries and, Safety, flights and and, you know,

445
00:27:18.285 --> 00:27:22.070
I know running a business, and you have to pay people. You have to pay

446
00:27:22.070 --> 00:27:25.830
people correctly. Yep. It's it's a charity that does that does good,

447
00:27:25.830 --> 00:27:29.424
but the people themselves aren't charities. You're not a charity. You have

448
00:27:29.804 --> 00:27:33.565
to live your life. And if you're gonna attract great people who could

449
00:27:33.565 --> 00:27:37.020
make a fantastic difference Yeah. Those great people have a worth.

450
00:27:37.100 --> 00:27:40.620
And, no, we can't all we can't be all altruistic and and,

451
00:27:41.020 --> 00:27:44.780
and and do do it for nothing, can we? No. Exactly. And people sometimes

452
00:27:44.780 --> 00:27:48.215
ask that and say and they see people are surprised sometimes when you you have

453
00:27:48.215 --> 00:27:51.895
a salary working for a see, but I'd have to work somewhere else

454
00:27:51.895 --> 00:27:55.740
otherwise. You know, then I have to work to buy

455
00:27:55.740 --> 00:27:59.260
food and pay my own water bills and, you know, have a home and my

456
00:27:59.260 --> 00:28:03.024
kids and and everything else. And my husband's a doctor in the NHS. So, you

457
00:28:03.024 --> 00:28:06.144
know, between us, we're we're both doing what we can. Bites some of these countries

458
00:28:06.144 --> 00:28:09.910
you're you're working in, they're they don't have stable

459
00:28:09.910 --> 00:28:12.890
governments. There there is kind of corruption

460
00:28:14.230 --> 00:28:17.850
and issues, if you like, politically within that within that their territory.

461
00:28:18.635 --> 00:28:21.855
Do you have do you have troubles working within some of those

462
00:28:21.995 --> 00:28:25.755
jurisdictions or pretty much you you're left alone?

463
00:28:25.755 --> 00:28:29.539
Because I I just imagine that there's bribes and corruption

464
00:28:29.600 --> 00:28:33.200
that have to or or people using your facilities or

465
00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:37.005
services to for for for the wrong purpose, if you like. Is that something

466
00:28:37.005 --> 00:28:40.245
you have to be really care careful of? So it's so it's something you need

467
00:28:40.245 --> 00:28:44.060
to always be aware of. Jo, again again, because it's often not us. It's a

468
00:28:44.060 --> 00:28:47.740
local organization. It's a bit different where where we're working with those people because

469
00:28:47.740 --> 00:28:51.395
they they they are known within that system, and they are

470
00:28:51.395 --> 00:28:55.075
wanted in the work they're doing. It's very valued. But, of course, you always have

471
00:28:55.075 --> 00:28:58.580
to be aware of of that. So we have a separate. They're almost

472
00:28:58.580 --> 00:29:02.419
an isolated team, who we call Programme Finance. So our programmes team are the ones

473
00:29:02.419 --> 00:29:06.125
who work with the local partners on making sure the work is long term

474
00:29:06.125 --> 00:29:09.645
robust, that we're we're scaling it, everything else. The programmes

475
00:29:09.645 --> 00:29:13.140
finance, they sit they sit slightly separately, and they're

476
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:16.960
auditing everything. So they're going in and checking how the funds have been

477
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:20.240
used, have been they removed responsibly, can we see x, y, and zed to prove

478
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:23.895
this. So a bit like any nonprofit or charity does generally in terms of

479
00:29:23.895 --> 00:29:27.655
reporting, we are really drilling down, and we have long term partners jo

480
00:29:27.655 --> 00:29:30.059
we can get because you you know, you then you build up that trust as

481
00:29:30.059 --> 00:29:33.020
well and you know what what works for each side. But, you know, we do

482
00:29:33.100 --> 00:29:36.240
we pay a great deal of attention to that stuff because we we

483
00:29:36.860 --> 00:29:39.835
we believe very strongly that the donors

484
00:29:40.215 --> 00:29:44.054
should feel absolute joy to know that that you know, if you

485
00:29:44.054 --> 00:29:47.269
get if I want you to know absolutely that you've given Team Wars to somebody

486
00:29:47.269 --> 00:29:49.669
on the other side of the world, and you should feel amazing about that. And

487
00:29:49.669 --> 00:29:52.789
that's what's happened with your money, so you feel very strongly about that and then

488
00:29:52.789 --> 00:29:56.445
feel really strongly that the person who, you know like we've talked

489
00:29:56.445 --> 00:29:59.985
about, Munatani's community, they've built a road. You know, they they deserve

490
00:30:00.125 --> 00:30:03.885
whatever money is is Wellbeing sent to help them, that for that to reach them

491
00:30:03.885 --> 00:30:07.650
because they're also working extremely hard and and will and will be dedicated to

492
00:30:07.650 --> 00:30:11.250
this water point. So on both sides, for us, it's really important it runs as

493
00:30:11.250 --> 00:30:14.815
smoothly as possible. Yeah. Okay. So, yeah, I I get that. So you you

494
00:30:14.815 --> 00:30:18.495
are you're not out there trying to break Lockwood yourselves, if you

495
00:30:18.495 --> 00:30:22.000
like. You're you're working with local people who understand. So you

496
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:25.760
not only are you providing clean water, you're

497
00:30:25.760 --> 00:30:29.434
also, I'm guessing through this, providing jobs

498
00:30:29.815 --> 00:30:33.575
and injection of money into their economies as Wellbeing.

499
00:30:33.575 --> 00:30:36.700
Yes. That's a you know, we want it all to see. And and some local

500
00:30:36.700 --> 00:30:40.059
partners we work with, not only do they we'll work with

501
00:30:40.059 --> 00:30:43.820
them, and there'll be a local organization employing local people.

502
00:30:43.820 --> 00:30:47.475
Then we'll also arrange for Diversity local partners, have

503
00:30:47.475 --> 00:30:50.275
different expertise see get to know each other, to learn from each other, to also

504
00:30:50.275 --> 00:30:54.090
help on that side of things. And we also have I think it's

505
00:30:54.090 --> 00:30:57.450
in I'm trying to think which country it's in now. I think it's Rwanda, but

506
00:30:57.450 --> 00:31:01.015
I may be wrong. One of our local partners is that they

507
00:31:01.015 --> 00:31:04.775
they even invest in things like local masons who will be able

508
00:31:04.775 --> 00:31:08.215
to create the stone base that they need. So they

509
00:31:08.215 --> 00:31:11.700
helped train local masons to do that and to be able to supply it.

510
00:31:11.700 --> 00:31:15.380
So it it it has complete knock on effects in

511
00:31:15.380 --> 00:31:19.105
terms of working through local people. And the other thing I would say is

512
00:31:19.105 --> 00:31:22.945
we know that when you invest in clean water infrastructure, like

513
00:31:22.945 --> 00:31:26.545
I said, it brings opportunities to places and you see the electricity, the different

514
00:31:26.545 --> 00:31:30.380
roofs, everything else. But, actually, you know, it's proven that that

515
00:31:30.380 --> 00:31:34.220
for every 1 pound invested, there's 4 there's 4 pound return in the local

516
00:31:34.220 --> 00:31:38.045
economy. So it it and that's just the start of it

517
00:31:38.045 --> 00:31:41.565
from a week. Presumably, so you've been operating and and helping

518
00:31:41.565 --> 00:31:45.085
communities for several years now. How how long has your your project's been

519
00:31:45.085 --> 00:31:48.919
going? Is it? So Charity Water globally has been going for 17

520
00:31:48.919 --> 00:31:52.655
years, and then we've been in the UK since 2018. Presumably, obviously,

521
00:31:52.655 --> 00:31:55.934
you've made a lot of difference to a lot of communities over that time. Is

522
00:31:55.934 --> 00:31:59.695
there is there an end to I mean, it's almost like an infinite bridge,

523
00:32:00.015 --> 00:32:03.590
path. You have to you keep keep painting it, you keep painting it, keep painting

524
00:32:03.590 --> 00:32:07.049
it, and there's always another community to to to handle it.

525
00:32:07.350 --> 00:32:10.875
Is is it is it sustainable to keep doing this

526
00:32:10.935 --> 00:32:14.315
forever if you like? Because I I can't predict an end.

527
00:32:14.935 --> 00:32:17.895
No. So I think that there's there's 2 things there. First of all, we have

528
00:32:17.895 --> 00:32:21.640
a saying within the organization, which is don't be

529
00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:25.240
afraid of work that has no end. So you we are

530
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:28.865
impacting each time you impact a community, you've done something. You've

531
00:32:28.865 --> 00:32:32.465
achieved something. And, actually, when we began, 1,000,000,000 people didn't have

532
00:32:32.465 --> 00:32:35.505
access to clean water. It's not all thanks to us. It's thanks to a whole

533
00:32:35.505 --> 00:32:38.190
a whole load of organizations, but now 703,000,000.

534
00:32:39.130 --> 00:32:42.890
So progress has been made, and we our belief

535
00:32:42.890 --> 00:32:46.510
is that we can end the water crisis in our lifetime if everybody

536
00:32:47.915 --> 00:32:51.755
really pulls together. This isn't it it it's not jo it's not

537
00:32:51.835 --> 00:32:55.435
there there's so many other causes out there, so to do with climate change and

538
00:32:55.435 --> 00:32:58.919
how do we what do we do about climate change? What Diversity cancers, how do

539
00:32:58.919 --> 00:33:02.679
we tackle that? There's all these different things that people that see huge

540
00:33:02.679 --> 00:33:06.140
amounts of research and to development and

541
00:33:06.885 --> 00:33:10.725
iterative processes and learning to get to a point where we'd even would know

542
00:33:10.725 --> 00:33:14.485
how to solve some of it. Whereas that's not this. That's

543
00:33:14.485 --> 00:33:18.280
not the waterfront. We know how to fix it. It's there. It's it's a it

544
00:33:18.360 --> 00:33:22.120
it's about investing community by community, school by school, health clinic by

545
00:33:22.120 --> 00:33:25.745
health clinic until we we meet that. It will get more expensive

546
00:33:25.745 --> 00:33:29.585
as we go because the communities that left are likely to be the most

547
00:33:29.585 --> 00:33:33.310
rural, the most hard to reach, the most in need, but we don't

548
00:33:33.310 --> 00:33:36.690
stop until it's done. You mentioned climate change there,

549
00:33:36.990 --> 00:33:40.350
and most people associate the that with rising sea

550
00:33:40.350 --> 00:33:43.805
levels. But that brings its own challenge, doesn't it? Because it's the wrong type of

551
00:33:43.805 --> 00:33:47.025
water, and you could be polluting water tables

552
00:33:47.485 --> 00:33:51.220
and sources of water that you're currently relying on. It's yes. So

553
00:33:51.220 --> 00:33:54.660
that's one of the things we we really look at, and it it it was

554
00:33:54.660 --> 00:33:58.440
interesting. I was speaking with Brian who's who leads all our programmatic

555
00:33:58.500 --> 00:34:02.044
work, and he was saying that many of us feel like the world is

556
00:34:02.044 --> 00:34:05.885
unstable and and flapping around a little bit and and things are surprising

557
00:34:05.885 --> 00:34:09.639
us. Often, these communities, because they're more impoverished and

558
00:34:09.639 --> 00:34:12.199
they're struggling in different ways, they're at the end of the tail end of that

559
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:14.380
flapping around. So if you think about something moving

560
00:34:15.734 --> 00:34:19.415
they're experiencing real extremes. And so

561
00:34:19.415 --> 00:34:23.195
what we find is somewhere like Malawi, we've talked about, will

562
00:34:23.500 --> 00:34:27.340
will they'll have extreme droughts, a lack of water.

563
00:34:27.340 --> 00:34:30.140
And so in those cases, we need to make sure we're drilling deep enough for

564
00:34:30.140 --> 00:34:33.925
that to be long term sustainable clean water for them and that we've

565
00:34:33.925 --> 00:34:37.495
thought about how this shifts over time as well. And then they're

566
00:34:37.495 --> 00:34:40.989
also experiencing, you know, huge storms where they're bringing

567
00:34:41.930 --> 00:34:45.390
unheard of amounts of rain, strong winds, and destroying

568
00:34:45.450 --> 00:34:48.074
infrastructure. So we also have to make things sure things are built

569
00:34:49.275 --> 00:34:52.494
really robustly. And if there is things like flooding,

570
00:34:53.034 --> 00:34:56.870
that that the systems remain safe and that the dirty water isn't

571
00:34:56.870 --> 00:35:00.630
flooding and infiltrating the the clean water, everything else. And all of this has to

572
00:35:00.630 --> 00:35:03.210
be taken into account. And, actually,

573
00:35:04.625 --> 00:35:08.385
if we overlay a map of where we currently work and so we're in

574
00:35:08.385 --> 00:35:11.910
22 countries. Where we currently work And the

575
00:35:11.910 --> 00:35:15.589
countries which are most impacted right now by climate change already

576
00:35:15.589 --> 00:35:19.295
feeling the effects of it, they pretty much sit on top of each other. So

577
00:35:19.295 --> 00:35:22.995
it's often in these countries that they're ex they're experiencing

578
00:35:23.135 --> 00:35:26.975
the they're experiencing it right now, climate change. And what we can do

579
00:35:26.975 --> 00:35:30.820
is if you give them an adequate, safe, long term access to clean

580
00:35:30.820 --> 00:35:33.960
water, you're removing one of the real

581
00:35:34.500 --> 00:35:38.175
difficulties for them because at least they have that And then everything you know, you

582
00:35:38.175 --> 00:35:41.055
can rebuild things you can motor, but you need to have the access to a

583
00:35:41.055 --> 00:35:44.595
clean water. I'm I'm I'm I'm fascinated. I'm just thinking

584
00:35:44.860 --> 00:35:48.380
as you were describing, drilling down to these water types and making sure there's

585
00:35:48.380 --> 00:35:52.160
enough volume of water down there to be a sustaining community.

586
00:35:52.300 --> 00:35:55.734
Presumably, the the communities themselves are not consuming

587
00:35:56.115 --> 00:35:59.795
water on a vast scale. This is, what, 20, 30 households

588
00:36:00.115 --> 00:36:03.810
Mhmm. Few liters per person per day type of thing. Yeah.

589
00:36:03.890 --> 00:36:07.650
So how much water do you need to locate for it

590
00:36:07.650 --> 00:36:11.430
to be considered a worthwhile sustainable water source? Priscilla

591
00:36:11.462 --> 00:36:14.015
Bites quite technical. You may not know the answer to that, but it's what's going

592
00:36:14.015 --> 00:36:17.615
on in my head, I suppose. Yeah. No. And people often ask us because they'll

593
00:36:17.615 --> 00:36:21.055
read about water tables drying up. And I think, you know, it's something that definitely

594
00:36:21.055 --> 00:36:24.380
the US is experiencing right now, and they're starting to be concerned about

595
00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:28.040
the consumption of water and and what does that mean when they're they're drawing water

596
00:36:28.040 --> 00:36:31.765
from the water table. But you're right. In the communities we work in, you know,

597
00:36:31.765 --> 00:36:35.565
there might be a couple of 100 people. They're often they they they

598
00:36:35.565 --> 00:36:39.025
don't have the power showers and flushing toilets

599
00:36:39.085 --> 00:36:42.570
and dishwashers and washing machines and everything else. So

600
00:36:42.570 --> 00:36:45.930
so they're not using huge amounts of water. And,

601
00:36:45.930 --> 00:36:49.605
actually, generally, what causes water tables to

602
00:36:49.605 --> 00:36:53.365
fluctuate is industry. So, actually, where there's an

603
00:36:53.365 --> 00:36:56.760
issue with overuse of water, it tends to be because it's within a manufacturing or

604
00:37:05.935 --> 00:37:09.455
They will not deplete the water table just by having access to it. Do you

605
00:37:09.615 --> 00:37:13.215
I presume not only are you bringing supply in, you must be putting

606
00:37:13.215 --> 00:37:16.790
sanitary and sanitation in to remove

607
00:37:17.010 --> 00:37:20.690
to remove the sources of the, contamination as well, aren't you? So we do

608
00:37:20.849 --> 00:37:24.125
so so, generally, because of where we're coming, you don't need to where you're where

609
00:37:24.125 --> 00:37:27.805
you're if you're drilling down, or we're putting in a filtration and and then

610
00:37:28.045 --> 00:37:31.660
yes. We are. We do there there's certain places we work

611
00:37:31.660 --> 00:37:34.640
where, for example, we're planting trees

612
00:37:35.099 --> 00:37:38.940
around because that helps to slow down so that

613
00:37:38.940 --> 00:37:42.425
water doesn't suddenly flood and also, again, helps filter it and do different things. So

614
00:37:42.425 --> 00:37:46.025
there's different different adaptations that can work like that,

615
00:37:46.025 --> 00:37:49.859
but but we don't normally have to unless, as I said, it is somewhere like

616
00:37:49.859 --> 00:37:53.539
Cambodia or Bangladesh where where we're taking that water and putting it through a filtration

617
00:37:53.539 --> 00:37:57.380
system. I appreciate this this next thing I wanna ask you is is not necessarily

618
00:37:57.380 --> 00:38:01.205
your your core specialty, but I'm sure you have an opinion being in

619
00:38:01.205 --> 00:38:04.405
the sector. Is just talk about a lot of stuff going on in the news

620
00:38:04.405 --> 00:38:08.059
around the UK at the moment, around pollution of rivers through

621
00:38:08.059 --> 00:38:11.900
untreated sewage and the water companies not fix

622
00:38:11.900 --> 00:38:15.285
it. I I I I like to be charitable. I think, well,

623
00:38:15.525 --> 00:38:18.405
they're not out to do bad. They may not be that efficient at doing what

624
00:38:18.405 --> 00:38:21.444
they do, but they're not they're not set out to be bad. It it must

625
00:38:21.444 --> 00:38:25.200
be a massive problem to cope with the volumes and demands

626
00:38:25.900 --> 00:38:29.580
of of of consumers and water users

627
00:38:29.580 --> 00:38:33.194
and just how how do you think that, you know, we we as a

628
00:38:33.194 --> 00:38:36.954
community and society in the UK could could, I

629
00:38:36.954 --> 00:38:40.710
don't know, get get around that and think about our

630
00:38:40.710 --> 00:38:44.470
own water supplies? So it I'm not on the water supply side so

631
00:38:44.470 --> 00:38:48.310
much, but my background is so I I came into the charitable sector through

632
00:38:48.310 --> 00:38:52.115
the corporate sector. So I worked in corporate responsibility and actually worked for

633
00:38:52.115 --> 00:38:55.795
Centrica and British Gas on their corporate responsibility side of things.

634
00:38:55.795 --> 00:38:59.310
So I do have a view in the sense of

635
00:38:59.530 --> 00:39:03.210
businesses having a duty to do the right thing. And

636
00:39:03.210 --> 00:39:06.494
so when you say they don't want to do the wrong thing, I I believe

637
00:39:06.494 --> 00:39:10.255
that as individual people, the majority of individual people who are

638
00:39:10.255 --> 00:39:13.694
in businesses, of course, they don't want to to do the wrong

639
00:39:13.694 --> 00:39:17.330
thing. They want to do right by people and and, hopefully, by the environment.

640
00:39:17.550 --> 00:39:21.250
But if there if the culture and I don't know this

641
00:39:21.914 --> 00:39:24.875
with the different oil culture companies. But if the culture isn't right, if the goals

642
00:39:24.875 --> 00:39:28.714
aren't right, if the measurements aren't right, if perhaps legislation around it isn't right, then

643
00:39:28.714 --> 00:39:32.170
the decisions being made can lead to harm. And it's really

644
00:39:32.170 --> 00:39:33.710
important that the the

645
00:39:36.330 --> 00:39:40.135
the social impact and the environmental impact in this is being measured very

646
00:39:40.135 --> 00:39:43.415
clearly and benchmarked and that you have goals to improve that and to do it.

647
00:39:43.415 --> 00:39:47.130
And so I don't know enough about the issue here, but it it

648
00:39:47.130 --> 00:39:49.930
has to be done in that you know, and and perhaps legislation would be the

649
00:39:49.930 --> 00:39:53.390
only answer. Yeah. I mean, you you mentioned the people you're helping

650
00:39:53.609 --> 00:39:57.445
in these countries consume very little water

651
00:39:57.665 --> 00:40:01.265
per capita per head. Whereas in this country, and other

652
00:40:01.265 --> 00:40:04.850
developed countries, we consume vast amounts of water per head.

653
00:40:04.990 --> 00:40:07.890
Even if it's not directly going through our household, but just

654
00:40:08.510 --> 00:40:12.270
cleaning our food, watering our garden. All these all these ways

655
00:40:12.270 --> 00:40:15.395
we we can see water. And we take it for granted. We have no

656
00:40:15.775 --> 00:40:19.615
concept that water isn't free. You know, water, to us, is free. It's just turn

657
00:40:19.615 --> 00:40:23.350
the tap on, and it's there. And we get really shocked when we go to

658
00:40:23.350 --> 00:40:26.870
Spain on a holiday, have to buy bottled water because you can't drink out the

659
00:40:26.870 --> 00:40:30.305
tap in the bath. Mhmm. So we get quite spoiled as a as

660
00:40:30.305 --> 00:40:34.065
consumers in the UK. Yeah. Lockwood do. And I but I think it comes

661
00:40:34.065 --> 00:40:37.840
down to so much of it's overconsumption generally, isn't it? I mean,

662
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:41.600
it's not it water's used huge amounts of water's

663
00:40:41.600 --> 00:40:44.994
in jeans. You know, to manufacture jeans, you need

664
00:40:44.994 --> 00:40:48.515
vast amounts, especially to get the stonewash effect, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.

665
00:40:48.515 --> 00:40:51.875
So it often isn't about what we're doing at home, although we can all reduce

666
00:40:51.875 --> 00:40:55.710
it. And, actually, I find my interesting my daughter has a shower, and

667
00:40:56.090 --> 00:40:59.850
she automatically turns off the water every time she's taking shampoo in or

668
00:40:59.850 --> 00:41:03.675
washing up. You know? She just does. And she just always has because

669
00:41:03.675 --> 00:41:07.115
she's like, well, that I wouldn't I wouldn't waste that. So I I'm hopeful, and

670
00:41:07.115 --> 00:41:10.075
I do think that the kids are learning differently and starting to think about things

671
00:41:10.075 --> 00:41:13.630
differently. So I hope that continues. I I never even thought of

672
00:41:13.690 --> 00:41:17.530
turning the shower off between washing my hair, and I I kind of

673
00:41:17.530 --> 00:41:20.485
just let it flow. I mean, it's not a power shower. It's a gravity shower,

674
00:41:20.485 --> 00:41:24.325
but, you know, I just kinda let it flow. But yeah. And nothing nothing better

675
00:41:24.325 --> 00:41:27.765
than when you're in a nice hotel and the the shower, one of those rain

676
00:41:27.765 --> 00:41:31.480
showers, it just feels really invigorating. So yeah. Yeah.

677
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:34.920
But I do it without any thought. You know? I'm I'm starting to become very

678
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:38.675
conscious around recycling plastics and avoiding plastics

679
00:41:38.675 --> 00:41:41.895
when I can, but I don't have a a water converse

680
00:41:42.115 --> 00:41:45.950
conservation or water care thing

681
00:41:45.950 --> 00:41:49.630
in my head at the moment. I I heard there's a world water day

682
00:41:49.630 --> 00:41:53.425
coming up. Is that is that trying to bring that in, is it? So it

683
00:41:53.665 --> 00:41:57.345
that's about access to water for everybody. So world water day, yes, that's something to

684
00:41:57.345 --> 00:42:01.180
consider. But, actually, you consuming less is

685
00:42:01.180 --> 00:42:03.580
not going to provide clean water to someone else on the other side of the

686
00:42:03.580 --> 00:42:06.380
world. It's not you know, it's a bit like, you know, news to I don't

687
00:42:06.380 --> 00:42:09.500
think parents do it as much anymore, but, you know, when kids didn't eat their

688
00:42:09.500 --> 00:42:13.105
food and they'd say, there's some starving children who could, you know it doesn't

689
00:42:13.345 --> 00:42:16.785
one thing does not offset the other. So World Water Day,

690
00:42:16.785 --> 00:42:20.040
really, it has a different theme each year. It's a UN day, so to you

691
00:42:20.040 --> 00:42:23.880
know, it's partly because it's UN development sustainable development goal number

692
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:27.595
6 is access to clean water and sanitation for all. So it's about raising awareness

693
00:42:27.595 --> 00:42:31.435
for that. This year, I think it's having a theme of peace and

694
00:42:31.435 --> 00:42:35.115
how peace and and water really really play into one another and and the

695
00:42:35.115 --> 00:42:38.859
importance of one to the other. But we'll be doing so Charity Water,

696
00:42:38.859 --> 00:42:42.380
we always do a lot of fun fun things for for, Water Day. So this

697
00:42:42.380 --> 00:42:45.920
year, if anyone's in London, we'll be just off Brick Lane unveiling

698
00:42:45.980 --> 00:42:49.785
a newly painted mural to try and raise awareness and keep keep

699
00:42:49.785 --> 00:42:53.305
people thinking about it beyond what I've ordered today. Jo, yeah, just picking up what

700
00:42:53.305 --> 00:42:56.800
you said there. So me being frugal and turn the shower off

701
00:42:57.100 --> 00:43:00.940
doesn't solve the problem in Malawi or at one place you mentioned.

702
00:43:00.940 --> 00:43:04.515
So I've gotta realize that the way I

703
00:43:04.515 --> 00:43:08.355
can help Mhmm. Is not through personal action

704
00:43:08.355 --> 00:43:12.055
as such. Mhmm. It's around supporting causes,

705
00:43:12.640 --> 00:43:16.400
Mhmm. Lobbying governments, being more aware of

706
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:20.135
the needs of those people, and where

707
00:43:20.135 --> 00:43:23.815
possible supporting, sponsoring, contributing, donating into the into the

708
00:43:23.815 --> 00:43:27.415
causes. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And I think and

709
00:43:27.415 --> 00:43:31.170
what what's important to me, what I feel like

710
00:43:31.170 --> 00:43:34.849
is at the moment, for some reason, I feel like people are very

711
00:43:34.849 --> 00:43:38.215
focused on and I think this often happens in times of difficulty. They're very

712
00:43:38.215 --> 00:43:42.055
focused on local causes and charities and food banks

713
00:43:42.055 --> 00:43:45.655
and everything else, and we should be. We should all care about our local communities

714
00:43:45.655 --> 00:43:49.370
and not take away from that at all. But we should think about humanity as

715
00:43:49.370 --> 00:43:52.430
a whole and every single person and their value around the world

716
00:43:52.730 --> 00:43:56.255
and think about them all people is our neighbors, all

717
00:43:56.255 --> 00:44:00.015
humanity. So so that for me is if people

718
00:44:00.015 --> 00:44:03.160
are thinking about if people are thinking about giving, and and I hope most people

719
00:44:03.160 --> 00:44:07.000
do think about giving, to have that wider piece. So I know one family

720
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:10.685
who always want to give to a cause which is hyperlocal

721
00:44:10.825 --> 00:44:14.345
to them, so they so they they they focus on a hyperlocal cause, they focus

722
00:44:14.345 --> 00:44:17.590
on a national cause, and then they focus on an international cause. And for them,

723
00:44:17.590 --> 00:44:21.270
they they to make sure they're they're covering everything. So not everybody can give to

724
00:44:21.270 --> 00:44:24.955
3 different organisations, but to have that awareness that where's it

725
00:44:24.955 --> 00:44:28.635
really needed? Where's the support really needed? Yeah. And I I would say

726
00:44:28.715 --> 00:44:32.555
because I I I do work with charities. I've been trusted

727
00:44:32.555 --> 00:44:36.220
a number of charities. And whilst I don't actively give

728
00:44:36.220 --> 00:44:40.059
my pennies away to charity, I give my time, which I often think

729
00:44:40.059 --> 00:44:43.740
is more valuable than than than a penny. Yeah. I I I give

730
00:44:43.740 --> 00:44:47.045
you 10 hours of my time. I I I raise money or I I give

731
00:44:47.045 --> 00:44:50.664
to that. I it's it's sometimes more valuable. But, yeah,

732
00:44:50.964 --> 00:44:54.810
you can be giving without actually spending, if you

733
00:44:54.810 --> 00:44:58.570
like. Yeah. Advocating, awareness raising, even

734
00:44:58.570 --> 00:45:01.865
if it's just social media sharing and and and commenting

735
00:45:01.925 --> 00:45:05.465
and and becoming part of a movement to ray raise the awareness.

736
00:45:06.005 --> 00:45:09.810
I appreciate you want cash as well, but creating the awareness is

737
00:45:09.810 --> 00:45:13.290
is also part of it, isn't it? Yeah. So what we found, we had some

738
00:45:13.410 --> 00:45:17.110
Boston Consulting Group did some pro bono research for us.

739
00:45:17.490 --> 00:45:21.234
What they they've said to us is that if people don't

740
00:45:21.234 --> 00:45:24.295
know who Charity Water is, they're not going to give.

741
00:45:24.755 --> 00:45:28.400
So right now, I want anyone and everyone to know Charity Water. I want them

742
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:32.080
to hear that name, to recognize the logo jo that we become become part of

743
00:45:32.080 --> 00:45:35.755
the culture here in the UK and people will then give because they'll trust us

744
00:45:35.835 --> 00:45:39.035
and hopefully start, especially because of our 100% way of working where, you know, they

745
00:45:39.035 --> 00:45:42.154
give you know, where their money's going, they know we're gonna prove where their money's

746
00:45:42.154 --> 00:45:45.615
gone, then they then they do start to give. Because ultimately, it's

747
00:45:45.730 --> 00:45:49.569
it's the giving which is going to you know, that's the direct investment in

748
00:45:49.569 --> 00:45:53.190
the change. You're not you're not looking for hours

749
00:45:53.329 --> 00:45:56.975
of of people's time to come and, you know, fly out to one of

750
00:45:56.975 --> 00:46:00.815
these countries and start digging holes and stuff like that. So it's very much Mhmm.

751
00:46:00.815 --> 00:46:04.560
The local people do that. You're looking for raising funds in this country or

752
00:46:04.560 --> 00:46:07.920
fund wherever through gift dates or whatever it may be, creating

753
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:11.700
awareness, creating a movement, creating a a a momentum,

754
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:15.325
if you like, of of of awareness of the

755
00:46:15.372 --> 00:46:19.085
Change people are facing. And I I guess in the in

756
00:46:19.085 --> 00:46:22.790
the forms of time, global warming, our climate

757
00:46:22.790 --> 00:46:26.563
could change, other closer to home, people we would see

758
00:46:26.790 --> 00:46:30.375
see as our close neighbors could also be going through areas where

759
00:46:30.515 --> 00:46:33.875
their water tables become sort of, you know, what we

760
00:46:33.875 --> 00:46:37.660
consider developed countries now are only, I suppose,

761
00:46:37.660 --> 00:46:41.040
only 1 degree centigrade rise in temperature from becoming

762
00:46:41.340 --> 00:46:45.100
more barren, more desert like. And yeah. So it's an interesting

763
00:46:45.100 --> 00:46:48.875
topic. I I until we started this conversation, I I hadn't really explored in my

764
00:46:48.875 --> 00:46:52.635
mind around I just saw it as people in these countries, they

765
00:46:52.635 --> 00:46:56.340
have famine, they have drought. I don't really consider the, the

766
00:46:56.340 --> 00:46:59.940
sort of the whole aspect in their

767
00:46:59.940 --> 00:47:03.765
community around this, you know, what you said, walking hours and hours and

768
00:47:03.765 --> 00:47:07.305
hours to collect water. The water you collect is then being polluted.

769
00:47:08.245 --> 00:47:11.910
It's then they're then consuming dirty water because that's already choice. And

770
00:47:11.990 --> 00:47:15.750
it's not about cleaning the water. It's finding access to the water

771
00:47:15.750 --> 00:47:19.589
that is clean already Decaf. Or cleaner. So you're not you're not trying

772
00:47:19.589 --> 00:47:23.265
to disinfect or or or clean water. You're trying to find the

773
00:47:23.265 --> 00:47:27.025
better water. And that's really fascinating. It's it's something, as I see, something I hadn't

774
00:47:27.025 --> 00:47:30.840
really explored before. No. Not you said it is. It's one of the basic

775
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:34.380
needs that the Masai Triangle piece of it. Right? That you have to meet this,

776
00:47:34.520 --> 00:47:38.154
and then everything else there's so many things can follow. So but it it

777
00:47:38.154 --> 00:47:41.855
does and it it impacts us as people,

778
00:47:42.555 --> 00:47:45.820
both from thinking about, yes, those communities and how we have access. But we're always

779
00:47:45.820 --> 00:47:48.860
using different water in different ways. Water comes into our lives all over the place.

780
00:47:48.860 --> 00:47:52.220
So it's just I think being grateful for what we have is really

781
00:47:52.220 --> 00:47:55.395
important. And you said also about what people can do. The other piece, if they

782
00:47:55.395 --> 00:47:59.075
don't have the the the funding or anything themselves to

783
00:47:59.075 --> 00:48:01.895
give, is talk to their employees, talk to their businesses.

784
00:48:02.799 --> 00:48:06.640
We often find that, actually, it's those corporate organizations who who do have the

785
00:48:06.640 --> 00:48:09.680
funding and are able to help significantly as well. So there's also that side of

786
00:48:09.680 --> 00:48:13.295
it, of just thinking beyond individually and

787
00:48:13.295 --> 00:48:17.055
ourselves to what can we collectively do. Yeah. And you

788
00:48:17.055 --> 00:48:20.815
say you don't have to support this cause every year or every time

789
00:48:20.815 --> 00:48:24.369
you Mhmm. You put on your running shoes or whatever

790
00:48:24.369 --> 00:48:27.996
else you choose to do. This could just be one of a

791
00:48:27.996 --> 00:48:31.845
portfolio of of charity causes that you want to support over you over

792
00:48:31.845 --> 00:48:35.205
the course of of your life. Jo, yeah, I I and I really like what

793
00:48:35.205 --> 00:48:39.010
you said about having that 3 tier, sort of like the the the the very

794
00:48:39.010 --> 00:48:42.850
specifically my village, my locale Mhmm. Sort of the the more

795
00:48:42.850 --> 00:48:46.530
nationalistic and then work for other fields, some of the bigger courses. And

796
00:48:46.530 --> 00:48:50.315
it's, yeah. It's it's it's opened up another way of thinking that, you know,

797
00:48:50.375 --> 00:48:54.214
like, or as I say, I donate to this. Mhmm. I've still got

798
00:48:54.214 --> 00:48:57.640
scope to think about something bigger than me as well and fit a a part

799
00:48:57.640 --> 00:49:01.480
of something. Because I I had a a friend who was

800
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:04.734
doing some work with a an organization called see a Cow. I don't know if

801
00:49:04.734 --> 00:49:08.414
you've quite lost them. Bites it was a concept. It wasn't sending it

802
00:49:08.494 --> 00:49:12.255
the cow necessarily as meat. They were sending it as the lifeblood of

803
00:49:12.255 --> 00:49:16.099
a village to provide milk and to the nurture and care for it. And

804
00:49:16.099 --> 00:49:19.140
eventually, yes, when it got to a point where the milk stopped flowing, it may

805
00:49:19.140 --> 00:49:22.920
well become food. But the primary thing was it was transforming

806
00:49:23.220 --> 00:49:26.485
villages. Yeah. Having this this livestock that

807
00:49:26.965 --> 00:49:29.885
and they they said they went out to see a village Joanne they saw the

808
00:49:29.925 --> 00:49:33.760
when the cows arriving. And some of the children had never seen

809
00:49:34.700 --> 00:49:38.319
livestock in that way. It it brings that whole,

810
00:49:38.675 --> 00:49:42.275
as you say, the smile and the the eyes of the

811
00:49:42.275 --> 00:49:46.035
village, not not just around that one accent. Yeah. You're you're

812
00:49:46.035 --> 00:49:49.040
you're you're changing lives and changing

813
00:49:49.580 --> 00:49:53.340
their quality of life as well, aren't you? Yeah. You are. And I think that's

814
00:49:53.340 --> 00:49:57.125
it. It's about finding that one thing that you can feel really passionate excited about

815
00:49:57.125 --> 00:50:00.965
and the one thing that can absolutely transform lives that

816
00:50:00.965 --> 00:50:04.105
we may take completely for Joanne, but we can go

817
00:50:04.859 --> 00:50:08.700
and and I I sometimes think about bringing clean water to your community. What we

818
00:50:08.700 --> 00:50:12.540
know is that that increases the number of children going to

819
00:50:12.540 --> 00:50:16.315
school. And so this clean water can come, and I

820
00:50:16.315 --> 00:50:20.075
I like to think about a young girl who, perhaps, before was having

821
00:50:20.075 --> 00:50:23.280
to collect water, was too unwell to go to school, doing it. She's now going

822
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:27.040
to school, so we know that. Then she she's she's

823
00:50:27.040 --> 00:50:30.640
going to school. She's learning. What we found is when we bring keen water to

824
00:50:30.640 --> 00:50:34.345
a school, for example, that increases attendance by 30%. So so so

825
00:50:34.345 --> 00:50:37.385
you impact there. And then you we know education is so important. So if you

826
00:50:37.385 --> 00:50:40.900
think about this as one child, so that child's no longer sick at home, no

827
00:50:40.900 --> 00:50:44.740
longer affecting dirty water, now going to school, getting an education, what's she gonna

828
00:50:44.740 --> 00:50:47.620
do next? Because now she's really educated and she's doing really well, and she can

829
00:50:47.620 --> 00:50:51.464
go off and do the next piece that the education provides. Maybe maybe

830
00:50:51.625 --> 00:50:54.304
and when we hear that we speak to some kids and they say, I want

831
00:50:54.304 --> 00:50:57.980
to become a doctor. So imagine that girl does become a doctor, and then she

832
00:50:57.980 --> 00:51:01.740
starts to save lives. And then, you know, the ripple effects are massive. And so

833
00:51:01.740 --> 00:51:04.880
I just it's how do we find that that

834
00:51:05.744 --> 00:51:09.184
catalyst for change and for impacting lockwood for a long

835
00:51:09.184 --> 00:51:12.704
time. I I remember I I just did a lot of work

836
00:51:12.704 --> 00:51:16.520
with the community fundraising and back 20, 30 years ago. And

837
00:51:16.520 --> 00:51:20.299
I remember working with agencies in in India.

838
00:51:20.680 --> 00:51:23.980
Mhmm. They had a program at the time called freedom through education.

839
00:51:24.494 --> 00:51:28.255
Mhmm. So it's about freeing people through

840
00:51:28.255 --> 00:51:31.750
the educational process, and their their freedom at the time was their

841
00:51:31.750 --> 00:51:35.430
freedom was from legacy colonialism. So they wanted to

842
00:51:35.430 --> 00:51:38.970
educate themselves out of that that that that legacy of colonialism.

843
00:51:39.715 --> 00:51:43.235
And then we started getting involved with building schools. And then we

844
00:51:43.235 --> 00:51:46.915
realized that the the priority wasn't just building the school, it's actually

845
00:51:46.915 --> 00:51:50.680
building toilets. Because without toilets Yeah. It had a disproportionate

846
00:51:51.060 --> 00:51:54.900
impact on young girls. Yeah. And then we talk about period products, and we talk

847
00:51:54.900 --> 00:51:58.715
about other things. So you start by thinking about this, and

848
00:51:58.715 --> 00:52:02.475
then suddenly quickly realize there are enablers that

849
00:52:02.475 --> 00:52:05.970
help more women and more more young girls get involved because they are the ones

850
00:52:05.970 --> 00:52:09.730
that are more disproportionately disaffected by the lack

851
00:52:09.730 --> 00:52:13.484
of sanitation, as you said. They're collecting the water, periods,

852
00:52:13.484 --> 00:52:16.125
not not you know, as they grow up and this and this. see they they've

853
00:52:16.125 --> 00:52:19.885
got challenges to go into education. And also the

854
00:52:19.885 --> 00:52:23.600
the the the the the societal expectations of young women as well. We

855
00:52:23.600 --> 00:52:27.140
gotta try to become that as well. But, yeah, it's it's all kind of

856
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:31.525
little little piece of the jigsaw. Often, it's the the the small

857
00:52:31.525 --> 00:52:35.365
pieces you don't realize until you realize the big pieces don't work on their

858
00:52:35.365 --> 00:52:39.210
own. Yeah. And I and I think we you know, when when girls

859
00:52:39.210 --> 00:52:42.170
get their periods here, there's you know, when they were at school and all those

860
00:52:42.170 --> 00:52:45.930
things, they they're terrified of being embarrassed. I, you know, I I remember

861
00:52:45.930 --> 00:52:49.733
you Change jo school and you but you've still got you've got your

862
00:52:49.733 --> 00:52:53.348
individual bathrooms, toilets you can access. You know you've got access to taps. You

863
00:52:53.348 --> 00:52:56.946
know you can you know that from home, you'll have everything you see,

864
00:52:57.050 --> 00:52:59.450
or perhaps at school, the school nurse can help. You know, you have all these

865
00:52:59.450 --> 00:53:03.210
different things you need. But is there still a terror and, for

866
00:53:03.210 --> 00:53:06.875
some reason, worry about humiliation? And so you take that

867
00:53:06.875 --> 00:53:10.635
and you put it into a context where women are already perhaps more oppressed in

868
00:53:10.635 --> 00:53:14.235
some ways and and where people could be maybe thought of very differently when they

869
00:53:14.235 --> 00:53:18.050
get periods and and all this this societal pressure. And then you send

870
00:53:18.050 --> 00:53:21.650
them to school without a space to go by

871
00:53:21.650 --> 00:53:25.434
themselves, you know, so without any way of cleaning

872
00:53:25.434 --> 00:53:29.275
themselves up. And it it really see it

873
00:53:29.434 --> 00:53:33.194
it's unfair on those girls because you're really taking away the opportunities, and they're staying

874
00:53:33.194 --> 00:53:36.460
home because they just don't want to be. It's because of that shame. And so

875
00:53:36.460 --> 00:53:39.660
when we work in a school, it's not only about providing clean water. We are

876
00:53:39.660 --> 00:53:43.265
working with the school to make sure there's gender specific latrines,

877
00:53:43.724 --> 00:53:47.244
enough latrines to to cover the whole population, and, also,

878
00:53:47.244 --> 00:53:50.930
usually, a a separate space for girls to go out sort of a a

879
00:53:50.930 --> 00:53:54.210
a room they can change in and that they can wash in and they can

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do other things they need to do if they have their periods. That they

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have that again again, it comes back to dignity, to be honest, and

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removing any stigma from it. We also, like, just see, you know,

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it's a broader conversation about how how we're not in that. We shouldn't be embarrassed

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about it, and everybody gets it, and this is what it looks like. But but

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also allowing people you don't want to have to to raise

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awareness of it by by young girls walking around with with

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mess on themselves. It's just not right. Oh, and it's it's trying

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to change centuries and centuries, probably

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millennia, of of stigma and shame Yeah.

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And oppression of women. We can't solve that. What we can do is

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solve toilets. We can create clean water. We can provide

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spaces for them products Yeah. Whilst we're trying

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to change the world. And Yeah. I remember that statement in the first place.

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Yeah. I I I see that. Hannah, it's been fascinating. And and I knew so

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little about this when we started the conversation, and I I I feel

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quite passionate and evangelistical now. I think that Oh, good. I Joanne

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talk about this. So it's been absolutely fascinating. So tell us more about,

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the website, the programs. How can people get in contact with you? How

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can people support you? So I you know, we we need all the

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support we can get, and so we'd love I'd love anyone to go to charitywater.org.

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You can sign up to our monthly newsletter. You can set up

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a fundraising campaign. You can decide to join our spring and get every single month,

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whatever works for people because and as I said, every single penny will go on

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clean water. And then see, personally, I'm on LinkedIn, Hannah Bellamy.

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I love connecting with people, especially if they they have a way of helping in

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terms of through their businesses or or anything else that works for them. So,

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yep, I hope this I hope more people feel evangelical after

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hearing our conversation. That's nice. I'll put all the details on the show

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notes. And, Hannah, thank you so much.

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Thank you. Thanks so much for having me. As we bring

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this conversation to a close, I want to express my

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deepest gratitude to you, our listener, for lending

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your ear and heart to the cause of inclusion.

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