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Joanne Lockwood: And today is episode 129 with the
Joanne Lockwood: title Wisdom on the School Run, and I have the
Joanne Lockwood: absolute honor and privilege to welcome Liv Maudsley.
Joanne Lockwood: Liv is the cohost of the School Run podcast
Joanne Lockwood: and a college student. When I asked Liv to describe her superpower,
Joanne Lockwood: she said she would say she has the wisdom to look at
Joanne Lockwood: all perspectives, and she loves to understand why someone has a
Joanne Lockwood: certain opinion or belief or feels a certain way.
Joanne Lockwood: Hello, Liv. Welcome to the show. Oh, hi. Thanks for
Liv Maudsley: having me. Absolute pleasure. I I'm pretty
Joanne Lockwood: sure you hold the record for being my youngest guest.
Liv Maudsley: Oh, yeah. I like that. And I was
Joanne Lockwood: the I have the privilege of being invited onto your school run podcast just recently.
Joanne Lockwood: So Yeah. Yeah. How does it feel to be in the other other
Joanne Lockwood: seat, you know, in the as a guest? It feels really
Liv Maudsley: a bit out of control. Usually, I'm the 1, you know, asking
Liv Maudsley: the questions, but, you know, the tables have turned a little
Liv Maudsley: bit. Excellent. I'm looking forward to this. So
Joanne Lockwood: we call this episode Wisdom on the School Run. The School Run is the name
Joanne Lockwood: of your podcast that you run cohost with your was it your
Joanne Lockwood: mom that you run it with? Yeah. So tell me more about Wisdom on the
Joanne Lockwood: School Run and your perspective around understanding other people's
Joanne Lockwood: beliefs. So tell me more. So, yeah, Wisdom on the School Run.
Liv Maudsley: So that's mine and my mum's podcast, which we started last year
Liv Maudsley: in February. And it kind of all started because
Liv Maudsley: I had a really long journey to school. So it was an hour and a
Liv Maudsley: half then, hour and a half back. And me and my mum,
Liv Maudsley: you know, once a week, twice a week, we always used to have a really
Liv Maudsley: insightful conversation, I'd tell her something that was going on at school.
Liv Maudsley: And she'd give me her wisdom that she
Liv Maudsley: has, you know, obviously got over time and through
Liv Maudsley: being a CEO. And I'd also give her
Liv Maudsley: my wisdom as, you know, being 17, what I
Liv Maudsley: could try and give from my perspective. And so we
Liv Maudsley: thought, why not put it onto a podcast and bring guests on, and
Liv Maudsley: then they can share their life story and their
Liv Maudsley: wisdom to try and help people to see
Liv Maudsley: things from a different perspective. So yeah.
Joanne Lockwood: From your perspective, obviously, what do you see as some of the
Joanne Lockwood: the key differences in the way people see the world from a
Joanne Lockwood: someone maybe your age under 20
Joanne Lockwood: compared with someone who's over 40, over 50? What what's the key differences you
Joanne Lockwood: think? I think my generation or
Liv Maudsley: maybe, you know, me personally, I think
Liv Maudsley: we've had a lot more there's been a lot more
Liv Maudsley: education, a lot more awareness
Liv Maudsley: around more topics that I would say maybe, like, my
Liv Maudsley: grandma, or my mom didn't have when they were at
Liv Maudsley: school. However, my grandma, I really love her. I think
Liv Maudsley: she's she's like unique in a generation. She really
Liv Maudsley: loves to understand the younger generation and and kinda what
Liv Maudsley: makes them tick as well, which I really love. She's not
Liv Maudsley: stuck in her ways or or very traditional. She really wants to
Liv Maudsley: understand, which I think is really, really lucky. And in
Liv Maudsley: terms of, you know, inclusion, diversity, and
Liv Maudsley: a lot of things, our generation, my
Liv Maudsley: generation can be it's
Liv Maudsley: it's difficult with social media. I think it's a great thing,
Liv Maudsley: great for education. However, there's
Liv Maudsley: also a lot of judgment and a lot of people putting out their
Liv Maudsley: opinions and people judging them on that, and that's, I
Liv Maudsley: guess, a challenge that older generations haven't really
Liv Maudsley: had with social media before. Yeah. I grew up. I mean, I was born
Joanne Lockwood: in 1965. That's a a lifetime ago for me, but, you
Joanne Lockwood: know, a distant memory. Not not not even a memory for you.
Joanne Lockwood: Probably not far off the same age as your grandma, I guess.
Joanne Lockwood: Jo, yeah, I mean, we had no Internet. We had no mobile phones.
Joanne Lockwood: When we were out, we were out. We were gone. There's nothing no way of
Joanne Lockwood: tracking us down. My mom would phone around all my friends seeing if I was
Joanne Lockwood: there, and we Jo, there's no there's no GPS tracking. There's no
Joanne Lockwood: nothing. Yeah. You you turn up at 10 o'clock at night late by 3
Joanne Lockwood: hours for your tea, and my mom will be on the doorstep, wagging her finger
Joanne Lockwood: at you, wondering where you've been. Jo, yeah, it's it's different. Yeah. People
Joanne Lockwood: know where you are. People know what you're doing. They know what you have for
Joanne Lockwood: breakfast now, don't they? Because you're you're sharing it all the time. Must must be
Joanne Lockwood: a a real challenge, you know, being a teenager or being a young person,
Joanne Lockwood: having that much visibility on your life by not just your
Joanne Lockwood: parents, but but the world. Yeah. But every I mean,
Liv Maudsley: I think every generation, you know, we all have
Liv Maudsley: our different challenges and things that my grandma would have
Liv Maudsley: experienced or my great grandma I could have never imagined and
Liv Maudsley: and vice versa the same way. So I would I don't think I'd ever say
Liv Maudsley: you know 1 generation's had it easier than the other or someone
Liv Maudsley: struggling more than the other because I think, you know, we've all had our
Liv Maudsley: different experiences. But with social media
Liv Maudsley: is you you really see every
Liv Maudsley: bit of someone's life. And I for me,
Liv Maudsley: I had TikTok and and Snapchat, and I
Liv Maudsley: don't have TikTok anymore. I don't have Snapchat either because
Liv Maudsley: I'm not kind of like a social media
Liv Maudsley: person. Very much, I spend a lot of my time with my
Liv Maudsley: family, friends. I love kind of
Liv Maudsley: human contact and and conversations.
Liv Maudsley: I'm not and I could feel myself when I had TikTok. I probably got
Liv Maudsley: it to feel part of everyone,
Liv Maudsley: part of the trend. Everyone's got TikTok. Everyone's on it. So that's
Liv Maudsley: probably why I got it to fit in. And then but
Liv Maudsley: I could feel myself at night scrolling and scrolling for
Liv Maudsley: hours and hours and hours and I just didn't for me I just
Liv Maudsley: didn't like that. I didn't like how I'd wake up then really
Liv Maudsley: tired and how it was just unproductive
Liv Maudsley: use of my time. So I was like, I'm just gonna delete it,
Liv Maudsley: and I'm gonna delete Snapchat too. And that was where a
Liv Maudsley: lot of my friends messaged. So I did feel, oh, what if I'm gonna
Liv Maudsley: miss out? What if they're gonna, you know, get an inside joke and then they're
Liv Maudsley: gonna say it at school and I'm not gonna get it? But I thought, do
Liv Maudsley: you know what? For me, I don't wanna be
Liv Maudsley: on Snapchat and TikTok all the time. I wanna be in the
Liv Maudsley: present and and live now.
Liv Maudsley: So that's kind of why I got rid of
Liv Maudsley: those things. So for someone like myself, I I
Joanne Lockwood: the way I use TikTok is I I post clips of my podcast, other
Joanne Lockwood: little things on there. I very rarely spend any time watching
Joanne Lockwood: anybody else. And I'm my Snapchat use
Joanne Lockwood: is I use the filters sometimes. I use Bitmoji, and I think you have to
Joanne Lockwood: log on to get Bitmoji through Snapchat. So that's I'm a very kind of
Joanne Lockwood: casual user. So what what is it about those
Joanne Lockwood: platforms that is so addictive to people that consumes all this time? What
Joanne Lockwood: do they give you? I'm not sure. It's
Liv Maudsley: obviously, on there, you've got a lot of different content that
Liv Maudsley: people post. Some of it, for me, on my Instagram, it's a lot
Liv Maudsley: of educational content, and I learn a lot of things from it, which I
Liv Maudsley: think is 1 of the reasons why it's so good. And obviously, you've
Liv Maudsley: got content that's funny and also content into people's lives.
Liv Maudsley: And I feel like for everyone, maybe it's it's
Liv Maudsley: different. Some for some people, I know that some of my friends, their
Liv Maudsley: phone is like an escape from the real world
Liv Maudsley: And they think, well, TikTok, I can look into
Liv Maudsley: someone else's life and and I'd I can get out of my life
Liv Maudsley: for a while. And I have heard that's how some of my friends view it,
Liv Maudsley: which I've never seen it that way before, I would go
Liv Maudsley: around and I'd say, oh, you're on your phone all the time, like a parent,
Liv Maudsley: and say, get off your phone or stop being antisocial.
Liv Maudsley: And then when 1 of my friends said that to me, I was like, that's
Liv Maudsley: really interesting. Imagine really not
Liv Maudsley: wanting to be in your life so much that you spend all your
Liv Maudsley: time looking at someone else's life. Yeah. I I
Joanne Lockwood: find myself picking my phone up too much. You know? It and I found
Joanne Lockwood: myself I was at a conference and and they had fidget toys on the table.
Joanne Lockwood: And I picked up a fidget toy, and I was playing with this fidget toy.
Joanne Lockwood: And then after at the end of the day, I realized that I hadn't picked
Joanne Lockwood: my phone up, because it was somehow something I needed to play with some stim
Joanne Lockwood: to stimulate me, but my brain was needing to do something. It's a bit
Joanne Lockwood: like stimming, I guess, a bit something like that. But I was playing these fidget
Joanne Lockwood: toys, and it allowed me to put my phone down. So I recognized that I
Joanne Lockwood: am kind of addicted to to touching the phone, being near it, playing
Joanne Lockwood: with it, absorbing something from it. And I need to distract my
Joanne Lockwood: brain in a different way. So I Joanne imagine how you're sitting there
Joanne Lockwood: at night, your doom is scrolling, you're flicking through, you're flicking through, you're flicking through.
Joanne Lockwood: 6 seconds, nah, nah. Oh, yeah. Right. This 1. Yeah. Nah.
Joanne Lockwood: And, yeah, it just keeps feeding the beast, doesn't it? It knows what you like,
Joanne Lockwood: knows what you don't like. And it and then it just becomes a
Liv Maudsley: habit. And I know sometimes I'll be out
Liv Maudsley: somewhere and I'll, like, put my hand in my pocket just
Liv Maudsley: through habit that my phone's there, and I'm thinking, where's my phone?
Liv Maudsley: You know, it's usually in that pocket. And I was like, woah. I
Liv Maudsley: can tell I'm I'm addicted to my phone a little bit. Yeah.
Joanne Lockwood: I I started watching a few reel I I still watch reels on Facebook,
Joanne Lockwood: and I think I clicked on a it's a was it a Pac Joanne bullfrog?
Joanne Lockwood: And it's basically frogs eating other frogs or frogs eating insects
Joanne Lockwood: or insect versus in and suddenly my feet is full of this
Joanne Lockwood: insect wars and and frog wars. It's like, go away. I
Joanne Lockwood: wanna see something. Then I find myself getting
Joanne Lockwood: lions eating things. It's like so now I've got all these wildlife adventures going
Joanne Lockwood: on. It's like they're eating stuff. It's like Jo, no, go away. I want to
Joanne Lockwood: go back to something normal. It's like it's crazy
Joanne Lockwood: how the algorithm gets you, isn't it? It it detects what you've liked. It detects
Joanne Lockwood: what you've watched. And then suddenly I'm seeing this stuff that I was only I
Joanne Lockwood: was only casually browsing. It's like, no. Thank you. Enough now.
Liv Maudsley: Yeah. And and then you just watch 1 video for
Liv Maudsley: however long, and then suddenly, all your videos are about that
Liv Maudsley: thing and how your phone listens to you as well which
Liv Maudsley: I think is crazy. I was having a conversation with my mum
Liv Maudsley: about you know me driving and taking my driving test. Next
Liv Maudsley: minute I look on my phone, I've got adverts for driving instructors,
Liv Maudsley: and and I was like, woah, that's crazy. And
Joanne Lockwood: they all claim they don't do that, but they do it. And there's there's too
Joanne Lockwood: much coincidence. You know? Mhmm. I'm a sometimes, you know, we
Joanne Lockwood: have biases that will make us think that it's random and or, you know,
Joanne Lockwood: random things happen, but I've seen too many examples. My wife, Marie,
Joanne Lockwood: we've talked about something and all of a sudden it pops up on her phone.
Joanne Lockwood: It's like, how did that happen? Yeah. It's like, yeah, completely random. So, yeah,
Joanne Lockwood: there's there's something going on or it'd be
Joanne Lockwood: entirely something. The only thing I thought about maybe is if I go onto it
Joanne Lockwood: with my phone, something tracks my IP address. And when Marie connects on
Joanne Lockwood: her phone through the Wi Fi, it's using the same IP address. So maybe it's
Joanne Lockwood: feeding it based on an IP address. Yeah. That's the only other
Joanne Lockwood: that's the only other theory I Joanne think of because it it thinks you're the
Joanne Lockwood: same person, and, the the the tracking cookies
Joanne Lockwood: maybe hook it up that way. I I don't know. I've I've never got to
Joanne Lockwood: the bottom of it, but you're right. Something is listening. Something is
Joanne Lockwood: definitely listening. So the I I said the
Joanne Lockwood: older generation. Yeah. The millennials, you know, my my our 2
Joanne Lockwood: children are millennials, and they grew up in a world where,
Joanne Lockwood: you know, the time waster was games. Yeah. Not maybe on the phone, but
Joanne Lockwood: console games. My my son had a PlayStation Portable. You know, in
Joanne Lockwood: fact, every every portable gaming device he has, and he he plays them in
Joanne Lockwood: different things. I'll play that on that. I'll play that on that. I was like,
Joanne Lockwood: really? I can't I can't handle 1 device. So do you find
Joanne Lockwood: that things like TikTok and Reels and Insta and those sort of things have
Joanne Lockwood: replaced the gaming thing, or do you think there's still there's not only that and
Joanne Lockwood: the gaming goes on? I think I'm not sure. I
Liv Maudsley: don't have an Xbox or anything, but I know it's still you
Liv Maudsley: know, my half brother still has an Xbox and my cousins
Liv Maudsley: have Xboxes. I think it's still for
Liv Maudsley: for younger children who may be like on on social
Liv Maudsley: media yet, I think it's still big. But then I feel like by the time
Liv Maudsley: you hit maybe high school or or
Liv Maudsley: college, it's then a huge thing, you know,
Liv Maudsley: to have Snapchat, to have Instagram. And that's
Liv Maudsley: people's main form of communication now, Snapchat for
Liv Maudsley: me, because I don't have it. It's WhatsApp. And people
Liv Maudsley: actually find it really weird if I meet someone new and they say, oh Joanne
Liv Maudsley: I be Snapchat? And I'm like, oh I don't have it. And they think,
Liv Maudsley: first, they think my mum's really strict and won't let me have it.
Liv Maudsley: And they can't get their their head around the fact that I just
Liv Maudsley: I had it, and then I deleted it being just because I didn't want it.
Liv Maudsley: It's quite funny to see people's reactions when you say, no. I don't have
Liv Maudsley: Snapchat. You'll have to take my number instead. Yeah.
Joanne Lockwood: So I I suppose I'm AAA Facebook generation. I'll I use
Joanne Lockwood: Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp. Yeah. I wouldn't venture on
Joanne Lockwood: Snapchat or even as I say, I use TikTok
Joanne Lockwood: more of a as a outbound marketing rather than inbound, and they'll
Joanne Lockwood: consume me that way. So what what the issues do you
Joanne Lockwood: perceive for your generation? I'm not saying the
Joanne Lockwood: entire world of your generation, but your your circle of
Joanne Lockwood: friends. What what are the big issues that you're worried about in
Joanne Lockwood: society, in for the planet, for the workplace? What do you
Joanne Lockwood: what do what do people your generation care about the most? I think
Liv Maudsley: we're very heavy, our generation, on
Liv Maudsley: 1, mental health and 2,
Liv Maudsley: diversity diversity and inclusion. I think they're both 2
Liv Maudsley: very hue and and the planet and sustainability. I
Liv Maudsley: think those 3, I would say, are kind of the main 3 in our
Liv Maudsley: generation. With we've had a lot more at high
Liv Maudsley: school, you have a lot more education on it. For
Liv Maudsley: me, I I feel like
Liv Maudsley: there's a line somewhere. I don't know where it
Liv Maudsley: is. But with mental health, I
Liv Maudsley: think our generation has not
Liv Maudsley: everyone has come a bit, and that might be due to
Liv Maudsley: social media, That anything someone
Liv Maudsley: says can be perceived as offended
Liv Maudsley: or or someone can be offended by something. And then you're in this
Liv Maudsley: situation where anything that you say, whether it's to your
Liv Maudsley: friends or you post it on Facebook, Instagram, or whatever, is
Liv Maudsley: gonna get judged and is gonna get someone's gonna interpret it
Liv Maudsley: as attacking someone or, you know,
Liv Maudsley: something like that. And for me, I've
Liv Maudsley: done a few courses on mindfulness
Liv Maudsley: and and self development, which taught me
Liv Maudsley: kind of it's people project out
Liv Maudsley: what's going on for them. So it's not necessarily that
Liv Maudsley: someone's offending you or or attacking you in any
Liv Maudsley: way, But maybe something's going on for them, and
Liv Maudsley: they that's how they're just expressing how they
Liv Maudsley: feel. And I think diversity and inclusion is the same.
Liv Maudsley: At my high school, obviously a big thing.
Liv Maudsley: And I had a few friends that that transition from
Liv Maudsley: 1 of my best friends, is gay,
Liv Maudsley: and, another 1 of our friends in that
Liv Maudsley: friendship group changed from female to
Liv Maudsley: male. And I for
Liv Maudsley: me, I support anyone because I think your
Liv Maudsley: life is your life and you live it the way you feel
Liv Maudsley: most comfortable to live it. Not dependent on what
Liv Maudsley: other people think about you or anything like that,
Liv Maudsley: but how you feel most comfortable. And I
Liv Maudsley: understand that maybe at my age, teenagers,
Liv Maudsley: a lot of kind of figuring out who you are, a lot
Liv Maudsley: of discovery, and maybe that is like some experimentation
Liv Maudsley: and not knowing who you are and trying different
Liv Maudsley: things to understand who you are as a person. But
Liv Maudsley: I also I've seen on TikTok when I
Liv Maudsley: had it, is it kind
Liv Maudsley: of almost becoming a trend,
Liv Maudsley: which I really don't like to say, because I really hope that it's
Liv Maudsley: not a trend of and I don't know whether it's,
Liv Maudsley: it's people feel like they have to do it for attention to fit in.
Liv Maudsley: I'm not sure. And I'm not saying it's it's right or wrong. But I
Liv Maudsley: think it can take away from those people who
Liv Maudsley: genuinely feel, you know, if they're transitioning or if
Liv Maudsley: they're gay or if they genuinely feel that something
Liv Maudsley: about them is is not right. And,
Liv Maudsley: yeah, from my generation, that's how
Liv Maudsley: it's it seems for me, which might be different to
Liv Maudsley: you because I'm sure it what is not a
Liv Maudsley: trend. But, yeah, that's I think those
Liv Maudsley: issues, it's just how we
Liv Maudsley: teach children and and in education in schools
Liv Maudsley: a different way of looking at it, if that makes sense.
Joanne Lockwood: Yeah. I I mean, I grew up in an era where self
Joanne Lockwood: awareness, self reflection, understanding who you
Joanne Lockwood: are, what your ambitions are, what makes you happy, what makes you sad, it just
Joanne Lockwood: wasn't really part of life. You
Joanne Lockwood: you you were a child, you you you were brainy,
Joanne Lockwood: you were you were artistic, you had you were characterized more by what you
Joanne Lockwood: did and what career you took, but you never self
Joanne Lockwood: analyzed. You just ended up falling into what you were good at, not
Joanne Lockwood: what made you happy, not what made it give you passion. That's how I ended
Joanne Lockwood: up doing electronics because my mum thought I was good at electronics,
Joanne Lockwood: but really my passion was photography. I never never explored it.
Joanne Lockwood: So, yeah, we never really talked about feelings
Joanne Lockwood: or or needs in that way. We were just waiting for the school
Joanne Lockwood: bell. We'd go and play in the park and, and disappear for a couple of
Joanne Lockwood: hours, get on our bikes, cycle home. So, yeah, I think I think
Joanne Lockwood: today, there's more awareness of of of who who we are as
Joanne Lockwood: individuals, aren't we? Not not just around our our gender or
Joanne Lockwood: sexuality, but also culturally, what matters to us,
Joanne Lockwood: doesn't it? I think that's I think I think it's wonderful. I think it's amazing
Joanne Lockwood: that we're now We're taking time to figure ourselves out rather than
Joanne Lockwood: waiting till we're in our forties and going, I've been doing this life for 40
Joanne Lockwood: years now, and I I should've I should've stopped years ago and had another go
Joanne Lockwood: at it. Yeah. Yeah. You you've I'm sure you're you feel far more
Joanne Lockwood: empowered to say, no. That's not working for me. I'm gonna just say different now.
Liv Maudsley: Yeah. I think I think, yeah,
Liv Maudsley: that's how I I feel. And I think for me, I've
Liv Maudsley: been really lucky because my mum, especially,
Liv Maudsley: and my family are all very supportive
Liv Maudsley: of do what you love, You know? Do what you're
Liv Maudsley: passionate about. Whether whether you're good at it or not,
Liv Maudsley: do what you love because because then the the drive to
Liv Maudsley: work hard, the drive to push through and
Liv Maudsley: carry on will will come from passion
Liv Maudsley: and love for what you're doing. So I've been really lucky in that sense
Liv Maudsley: that I've had that instilled in me from a very young
Liv Maudsley: age. So naturally then when my
Liv Maudsley: friends are saying, you know, my mum, she wants me to do this and she
Liv Maudsley: wants me to go to uni and she wants me to get this job,
Liv Maudsley: I always chat to them and I say, yeah, but what do you
Liv Maudsley: want to do? Like, this is your life, you know, it's
Liv Maudsley: not it's not your mum's, it's not your dad's, it's not your carers, it's not
Liv Maudsley: anyone else's, it's yours and you need to spend
Liv Maudsley: the time that you have, which as humans is quite
Liv Maudsley: sure, the time that you have doing something that you really, really
Liv Maudsley: enjoy to make the most out of your life. But
Joanne Lockwood: here in the media, old people, from your perspective, old
Joanne Lockwood: people, So we've become far too woke as a
Joanne Lockwood: society where we're pandering to the minorities. We're
Joanne Lockwood: we're giving you these minority voices too much
Joanne Lockwood: and we be going back to old traditional values and just
Joanne Lockwood: get on with stuff. What's the feeling that you get from
Joanne Lockwood: listening to that kind of stuff coming back at you if you like?
Liv Maudsley: I think because each of our generations
Liv Maudsley: have has grown up very differently and we've all
Liv Maudsley: got different morals, different things that we're
Liv Maudsley: passionate about based on, you know, the experiences that we've
Liv Maudsley: lived. You know, for me, I can't say
Liv Maudsley: anything how I feel on, like, a world war because I've
Liv Maudsley: never experienced 1. So I don't know what it is like to go to
Liv Maudsley: war or to to live in that situation. So
Liv Maudsley: therefore, I can't say if someone's done something
Liv Maudsley: in a right or wrong way because I wouldn't know. I just
Liv Maudsley: think I can understand from from
Liv Maudsley: older generations looking at us. I hear a lot that
Liv Maudsley: we're, you know, the snowflake generation and
Liv Maudsley: we're very maybe because we're so we
Liv Maudsley: really wanna help the planet and diversity and inclusion,
Liv Maudsley: and that's not been traditional because
Liv Maudsley: older generations haven't had the education or or awareness of
Liv Maudsley: that. I don't think either 1 is right or
Liv Maudsley: wrong. I just think they can see
Liv Maudsley: we we don't wanna be dividing us by, you
Liv Maudsley: know, what we believe and our opinions, and I don't
Liv Maudsley: think it's right to say you're right and I'm wrong.
Liv Maudsley: I'm right and you're wrong because then we're never gonna live, you
Liv Maudsley: know, together as 1. There's always gonna be, you
Liv Maudsley: know, clashes and people not liking things.
Liv Maudsley: So I think it's important to understand that us as a
Liv Maudsley: as a younger generation, just respect
Liv Maudsley: for for our old generations and an understanding that,
Liv Maudsley: you know, not to judge them by by what they say or what
Liv Maudsley: they're calling us because their experience is different. And to
Liv Maudsley: understand they have the right to that opinion, you know, whether we like it
Liv Maudsley: or not, they're gonna say what they're gonna say and that's absolutely fine.
Liv Maudsley: And the same for the older generation, even though we are younger and we may
Liv Maudsley: be doing things a little bit differently, But just the
Liv Maudsley: mutual respect for all of us so that we
Liv Maudsley: can live, you know, more united as a as a
Liv Maudsley: country as a world and less conflict
Liv Maudsley: and less, you know, wars and
Liv Maudsley: and yeah, I think it's important. So you mentioned the
Joanne Lockwood: planet. Do you think the planet will last long enough for you to grow up
Joanne Lockwood: and enjoy it? It's an interesting
Liv Maudsley: question for me. I I've
Liv Maudsley: not compared to my generation, I would say,
Liv Maudsley: the planet isn't obviously, I I care about the
Liv Maudsley: planet. However, I don't have haven't had that
Liv Maudsley: much education. You obviously hear things on the news and and
Liv Maudsley: everywhere. It's hard to know what's true, what's not true, you know, what to
Liv Maudsley: believe. I think I do A
Liv Maudsley: level economics and we have been talking about obviously sustainability
Liv Maudsley: and, you know electric cars and and all those things
Liv Maudsley: and I think it's important that we understand not to
Liv Maudsley: take the world for granted now
Liv Maudsley: because the things that we we
Liv Maudsley: have in this world and the amazing
Liv Maudsley: nature and the land that we have, which you
Liv Maudsley: know is getting built over with houses, you know, which is which
Liv Maudsley: is obviously needed for people that don't have homes. But
Liv Maudsley: I do sometimes look at the nature and think like look how amazing this
Liv Maudsley: is and we're not doing much to
Liv Maudsley: help it right now. And it's so beautiful, and we
Liv Maudsley: should be super, super grateful for the world that
Liv Maudsley: we live in and for the for the things that we have
Liv Maudsley: which people before us haven't had. No. It
Joanne Lockwood: was when I when I was growing up and all my life until probably the
Joanne Lockwood: last 4 or 5 years, it was never on the agenda, never big enough. You
Joanne Lockwood: know? Recycling and things like that have started to become more
Joanne Lockwood: more obvious. We have different kind of bins we put inside the house where we're
Joanne Lockwood: encouraged to put 1 in the other and presift and presort
Joanne Lockwood: and rinse our milk bottles out. Well, milk comes out before we put them in
Joanne Lockwood: a cycling list. To to me, that's kind of an alien thing. It's kind of
Joanne Lockwood: I've had to relearn. But you're growing in a world where that that's kind of
Joanne Lockwood: the normal, isn't it? That's our daughter. She has all the recycling in
Joanne Lockwood: different color bins in her kitchen.
Joanne Lockwood: If I'm if I'm a bit confused, I'll just put it into general and don't
Joanne Lockwood: worry about it. Yeah. I I
Liv Maudsley: wanna I wanna oh, go on. I was just saying, I
Joanne Lockwood: I don't I don't understand all the different labels. I I haven't put enough time
Joanne Lockwood: and effort into understanding what is, what isn't. I I know that often the
Joanne Lockwood: plastic lid or the or the plastic that you peel off of AAA
Joanne Lockwood: ready meal or something, the plastic lid generally isn't recyclable, but the
Joanne Lockwood: base is. I kind of ask my rule. If if it if I rip it
Joanne Lockwood: off, it's generally not recyclable. If it's the base, then it generally is.
Joanne Lockwood: That's that's kind of how I do it, as a Yeah.
Liv Maudsley: I was gonna say the same thing. When I'm at college, you've got 2 different
Liv Maudsley: bins, and I'm thinking, what is general waste and what's
Liv Maudsley: recyclable? And what I don't know which bit of this is recyclable.
Joanne Lockwood: Yeah. And I was hoping Lockwood be an expert on it. Is that is that
Joanne Lockwood: yeah. Which, unfortunately, I'm not.
Joanne Lockwood: Well, that that just highlights though the challenge we have if
Joanne Lockwood: we're gonna build this kind of mentality into our onto our
Joanne Lockwood: psyche, isn't it? It's it's how do we get people to take responsibility
Joanne Lockwood: and true responsibility for the planet, for environment,
Joanne Lockwood: for recyclable. Because, yeah, the government was backtracking on
Joanne Lockwood: electric vehicles. So, oh, no. We can't do 2030. It's too tricky. We'll
Joanne Lockwood: push it back to 2040 or something and think, hang on a minute. If it's
Joanne Lockwood: important for 2030, why are we pushing it back? Is it is it difficult?
Liv Maudsley: And I feel like it's difficult then. It's kind of like mixed
Liv Maudsley: messages then. And I know my stepdad
Liv Maudsley: is very into his cars, very into his cars. And
Liv Maudsley: he's also a firefighter. And he has a love hate relationship with
Liv Maudsley: electric cars because when an electric car
Liv Maudsley: sets on fire, it's impossible to put it out.
Liv Maudsley: Like, you can't it just burns and burns and burns and
Liv Maudsley: burns. And he went to a fire, and it was an electric car,
Liv Maudsley: and just you just can't put 1 out.
Joanne Lockwood: Now the lithium creates a chain reaction, doesn't it? And it becomes like
Joanne Lockwood: a self sustaining I mean, I remember physics at school,
Joanne Lockwood: and they used to drop sodium and that
Joanne Lockwood: into into water, and you'd see it race around around. Lithium is kind of it
Joanne Lockwood: comes up with it, you got platinum and other thing and other other
Joanne Lockwood: ions. And lithium's higher up the scale, so you drop that in water.
Liv Maudsley: Bang. Yeah. It it creates AAA big explosion. So, yeah,
Joanne Lockwood: it is. So, yeah, I I can understand that they are dangerous.
Joanne Lockwood: And Yeah. At least for the petro fire, you can kind of put a petro
Joanne Lockwood: fire out. Yeah. But, yeah, lithium. It's
Liv Maudsley: again that use of as much as electric cars are
Liv Maudsley: better for the environment, and I know it it'll be a small
Liv Maudsley: amount that's set on fire, but obviously then that
Liv Maudsley: use the public services on a lot of resources
Liv Maudsley: go into putting out a fire of an electric car, which, you
Liv Maudsley: know, can't be put out. Yeah. I I guess we
Joanne Lockwood: gotta adapt to play catch up with new
Joanne Lockwood: technology and how we deal with it. It's a bit like we have we had
Joanne Lockwood: to come to terms with overuse of mobile phones, overuse of Internet,
Joanne Lockwood: overuse of this. We've we've had the processes and policies catch
Joanne Lockwood: up later, don't they? And, you know, So you said earlier about trying
Joanne Lockwood: to filter out what's true and not true. It's really interesting when you you
Joanne Lockwood: picked up on that. How how do you judge what is true, what is not
Joanne Lockwood: true? What is Joanne opinion? What is a perspective? And what is a
Joanne Lockwood: fact? What tools do you use to do that? It's it's
Liv Maudsley: difficult and for me doing economics
Liv Maudsley: obviously a lot about I think I'm the only student in
Liv Maudsley: that class that doesn't watch the news.
Liv Maudsley: Because for me, I never know what is,
Liv Maudsley: what to believe, what's not, what's slanted, what
Liv Maudsley: isn't. And I think it's really,
Liv Maudsley: really difficult. And you can understand why
Liv Maudsley: a lot of us have so many different beliefs, because it's dependent
Liv Maudsley: on like so many different things. How you've been brought up, what your
Liv Maudsley: parents believe, what their opinions are, also what
Liv Maudsley: who you spend your time with, and what you watch on TV,
Liv Maudsley: on your phone, all these things. Like I know a lot of my friends now,
Liv Maudsley: they get the news from TikTok. And you think how much of
Liv Maudsley: that news is is real news? And how much is,
Liv Maudsley: you know, just fake, all fake news?
Liv Maudsley: And I think it's really difficult to know the
Liv Maudsley: difference. And for me I just I guess I'm always cautious.
Liv Maudsley: If I hear something that someone said, I
Liv Maudsley: won't believe it until I've, you know, looked at it myself
Liv Maudsley: or understood where it's come from. I won't make an opinion there
Liv Maudsley: and then. I'm pretty much like the same of that with
Liv Maudsley: people. If someone said, oh, she's really horrible or he's really
Liv Maudsley: whatever, I'm always like, I'll never
Liv Maudsley: say, oh yeah, I agree with you, I agree with you. Because for
Liv Maudsley: me, you know, we're all individual and I'll, when I meet
Liv Maudsley: you, I'll I'll get to understand who you are. I won't just take someone else's
Liv Maudsley: word for it. So I kind of use that in whatever I
Liv Maudsley: hear just to be a bit cautious and understand,
Liv Maudsley: hey. It might not be true. It might it might be true. Yeah. I
Joanne Lockwood: think for me, that's that's fundamentally it's it's recognizing as
Joanne Lockwood: I think exactly as you said about why someone thinks something, you
Joanne Lockwood: know. Is it their their parents, their their environment, their history, their
Joanne Lockwood: politics, whatever it may be. And it's trying to find the why, isn't it? Tell
Joanne Lockwood: me why you believe something, and then I can try and figure out if I
Joanne Lockwood: agree with you or what I disagree with. Because we we often get clash our
Joanne Lockwood: heads around the belief Yeah. Not the not the
Joanne Lockwood: why. The why. Because if I can understand why you think
Joanne Lockwood: something, I don't have to agree with you. But I understand why, and then
Joanne Lockwood: we can we can be friends because your your why is different to my why.
Joanne Lockwood: That's fine. Yeah, so like for me I
Liv Maudsley: also think when you see someone that's really passionate about
Liv Maudsley: something or has a really strong belief, I always think,
Liv Maudsley: like you said, you've got a reason. There must be some reason why they're
Liv Maudsley: so passionate about that. Like for me, I had anorexia for
Liv Maudsley: 2 years, and I'm very passionate about, you know,
Liv Maudsley: eating disorders and very around
Liv Maudsley: food. And I have a lot of younger cousins and I
Liv Maudsley: always whenever, you know, my auntie
Liv Maudsley: or whoever will say, you know, chocolate's
Liv Maudsley: bad for you or, you know, don't eat too much of that. Jo, you have
Liv Maudsley: to go for a run before you can eat that. Like, for me, I won't
Liv Maudsley: say anything, but inside, because that's
Liv Maudsley: something personally that I've experienced, I then
Liv Maudsley: feel very strongly and passionately towards,
Liv Maudsley: towards situations like that. So for someone
Liv Maudsley: else, when I see that they're really passionate about something, I think, okay, there's
Liv Maudsley: something that maybe they've experienced being through sin
Liv Maudsley: that's made them really strongly believe that.
Liv Maudsley: And understanding, like you said, why that is.
Liv Maudsley: It's alright if you don't agree with it or whether you do, but just
Liv Maudsley: to know because then you don't have to say actually
Liv Maudsley: you're wrong. Because it's kind of I guess invalidating how they
Liv Maudsley: feel or their experience that they've had. You mind if I ask you about your
Joanne Lockwood: anorexia? Yeah, sure. So I I
Liv Maudsley: think it was around I was in year 10. I just
Liv Maudsley: I just started the summer before year 10, which
Liv Maudsley: was maybe 20 21, I think.
Liv Maudsley: And I played very high level netball, so very competitive
Liv Maudsley: sport. I played for the county. I played for 1 of the best
Liv Maudsley: teams in the country. I'm a very competitive person
Liv Maudsley: and, you know, at the time, quite a perfectionist as
Liv Maudsley: well. And I would I really wanted I joined this new
Liv Maudsley: team, and I really wanted to do really, really well.
Liv Maudsley: And all the girls that were in the team all lived in the same
Liv Maudsley: place, all knew each other, and I didn't. So I was like, I wanna fit
Liv Maudsley: in. None of them were talking to me, and they'd all been
Liv Maudsley: there for so long that I really needed to be
Liv Maudsley: really good for my coaches and say, look, I am a really good player.
Liv Maudsley: So I and that kind of perfectionist competitive
Liv Maudsley: in me took me the other way. So I
Liv Maudsley: would get up at like half 2 and, and
Liv Maudsley: come downstairs really quietly, so like my mum or stepdad didn't
Liv Maudsley: know. And I'd train from, like, 3 till 6.
Liv Maudsley: I'd go to school, and then I'd come back and I'd train from 5 till
Liv Maudsley: 7 and then have my tea in 8 till 9 every single
Liv Maudsley: day. So I was so just
Liv Maudsley: depleted, and I was literally going crazy
Liv Maudsley: just wanting to do so well. And then I thought I can't can't
Liv Maudsley: do this anymore. Like, I'm so exhausted.
Liv Maudsley: So I gave up Netball and for a week I
Liv Maudsley: felt kind of free. Oh my gosh, I don't have to, you know, wake up
Liv Maudsley: at 3 AM anymore. But then after that
Liv Maudsley: it started, it kind of all went downhill.
Liv Maudsley: And I'd kind of never seen you know, my body what
Liv Maudsley: it looks like before as anything other than performance
Liv Maudsley: based. Because for me, I just wanted to perform well
Liv Maudsley: And with the netball, you know, you have a lot of muscles, very
Liv Maudsley: explosive. So then I kept looking in the mirror and I just kept seeing
Liv Maudsley: like this muscle fat, and I was like, I need to get rid of it.
Liv Maudsley: Like, I just I don't need it anymore. Like, I'm not playing Netball.
Liv Maudsley: So then it slowly started and feeding
Liv Maudsley: into everything you hear from social media, you know, don't eat
Liv Maudsley: carbs, don't do this. Well, stopped eating potatoes, and I
Liv Maudsley: started having just coffee for my breakfast and going to the gym and
Liv Maudsley: running on a treadmill for, like, 2 hours. And then it got really
Liv Maudsley: really really bad and obviously like my mom was really worried
Liv Maudsley: about me and she took me to the doctor And they
Liv Maudsley: said, come back in we they weighed me and said, come back in a week.
Liv Maudsley: And then, you know, we'll see. I don't think they took it that seriously. And
Liv Maudsley: I came back the week after, and I lost a stone in a week
Liv Maudsley: because I literally I was I was
Liv Maudsley: scared. I was physically scared to eat. And my mom, she was like, come on,
Liv Maudsley: babe, you know, you you have to. Like, she was trying so hard and I
Liv Maudsley: was just like, Jo, I was scared of water because anything
Liv Maudsley: that made me feel full I was, I was scared of. I don't want
Liv Maudsley: to. And it got really bad and I went to
Liv Maudsley: see an eating disorders from the NHS.
Liv Maudsley: And I always I'll always remember this, what he
Liv Maudsley: first said to me because it really from the moment on I
Liv Maudsley: didn't I didn't like him, and I never listened to anything that he said. He
Liv Maudsley: said I looked at you and I wasn't worried, And then
Liv Maudsley: I looked at you stats and I was worried. And I thought, for me,
Liv Maudsley: in my head always I'd felt not sick enough to get
Liv Maudsley: help, not ill enough. And I've just come in and you've said,
Liv Maudsley: you you looked at me and you're not worried. So that's just made
Liv Maudsley: me think, oh, so I'm not good
Liv Maudsley: enough to get help. I'm not sick enough for you to help me because I
Liv Maudsley: look fine. And it just it just snowballed.
Liv Maudsley: It got worse, and I was a week from being admitted to
Liv Maudsley: hospital. And I got COVID, and COVID actually kinda saved me in a
Liv Maudsley: way because I I couldn't go to the appointment. I had to stay at home
Liv Maudsley: and and start eating. And I think people
Liv Maudsley: tend to think that when
Liv Maudsley: you've had I think it's a very touchy subject. People
Liv Maudsley: don't really like talking about it. I was embarrassed about it for a really long
Liv Maudsley: time. People think you're some sort of freak. You're crazy. Like,
Liv Maudsley: why? And they think food is the problem or she just she just
Liv Maudsley: must hate food. And that's like, I love food.
Liv Maudsley: Like, if you if you picked me in a lineup, you'd think, well,
Liv Maudsley: never, because she loves food. And that's never
Liv Maudsley: really the problem. It's something around that, like the
Liv Maudsley: control to need to control something in your life or
Liv Maudsley: or trauma or or something. And I'm
Liv Maudsley: competitive and and it and it kind of stemmed from that.
Liv Maudsley: And then people think it's a linear journey to recovery.
Liv Maudsley: It's definitely not. It's it's up and down. It's up and down. And
Liv Maudsley: and finally now I'm getting to kind of a
Liv Maudsley: place where I think, do you know what? Like this
Liv Maudsley: the body that I have, it's been with me through a lot, and
Liv Maudsley: it's kept me alive even though, you know, I didn't
Liv Maudsley: want it to be. And I've got it
Liv Maudsley: forever, and I need to, you know, nurture it and cherish it
Liv Maudsley: because I'm never gonna get another 1. So
Liv Maudsley: I think that's why I'm super passionate about about it. Do you
Joanne Lockwood: still do you look back at that time, and do you understand
Joanne Lockwood: if you analyze yourself or what you went through? Do
Joanne Lockwood: do you understand enough so that you you can trust yourself not to go
Joanne Lockwood: back? Yeah. I think that is the hardest part.
Liv Maudsley: I think for I think for a lot of people when they've
Liv Maudsley: been through something and come out of it, the last thing they wanna do is
Liv Maudsley: go back, into it and experience all the things
Liv Maudsley: that they've already experienced once mentally.
Liv Maudsley: For me, that was really important because I
Liv Maudsley: needed to see why, you know, I learned a lot about myself through
Liv Maudsley: that. I also learned what my
Liv Maudsley: pitfalls pitfalls are, what can tip me back a little
Liv Maudsley: bit, what can make me think. You know,
Liv Maudsley: naturally, if I'm stressed or
Liv Maudsley: something, my tendency now is
Liv Maudsley: to eat less just from what I've been through, and I can catch myself
Liv Maudsley: in that now. And I understand that about myself. And I think that's the most
Liv Maudsley: important thing, like being self aware of who you
Liv Maudsley: are to, you know, be a better
Liv Maudsley: person and be better for yourself and to live your life
Liv Maudsley: as well as you can do. And I think it's, yeah, it's
Liv Maudsley: important to analyze not too much that you you
Liv Maudsley: trigger yourself again, but to look and think why
Liv Maudsley: and how I move on from it, I think is important. It must have
Joanne Lockwood: not only been stressful for you, but also stressful for your family to
Joanne Lockwood: feel that sense of powerlessness, to see you
Joanne Lockwood: wasting away whatever reacting the way you did.
Joanne Lockwood: And that feeling of hopelessness. They can't fix you. They can't make you better.
Joanne Lockwood: They can't even snap you out of it even. Yeah. It's
Joanne Lockwood: it's scary for my mom especially.
Liv Maudsley: Obviously, when you've got children, you wanna protect them, you know,
Liv Maudsley: you love them. And when you you see your
Liv Maudsley: child kind of wasting away and not
Liv Maudsley: caring or doing anything about it is is scary. And
Liv Maudsley: she really tried to do everything she possibly could and my whole
Liv Maudsley: family. And when when you've got an
Liv Maudsley: eating disorder, I can't talk to any other ones because I'm hard atorex.
Liv Maudsley: You've got it's like 2 people in your head,
Liv Maudsley: and you've got this like 1 person talking to you like constantly saying,
Liv Maudsley: you know, you you can't eat that, you know, go for a run,
Liv Maudsley: you're not good enough. And that's kind of the person that then
Liv Maudsley: your family's interacting with. It's not actually you,
Liv Maudsley: it's kind of like someone else and it you're completely
Liv Maudsley: different from who you usually are.
Liv Maudsley: And it was so difficult. And I love my family so much, and
Liv Maudsley: I wouldn't wanna hurt them, and I don't wanna make them upset.
Liv Maudsley: And my mom was obviously so upset at that time,
Liv Maudsley: which I kind of felt even worse about. I was like, I feel so
Liv Maudsley: bad that I'm, you know, making this so
Liv Maudsley: difficult for you. But I
Liv Maudsley: think I'm so lucky that I had that support
Liv Maudsley: because if I didn't, I think it would have been completely
Liv Maudsley: different. And my family really really fought for me, fought
Liv Maudsley: for me not to go into hospital because they they wanted me to stay at
Liv Maudsley: home. And I think
Liv Maudsley: I'm just so lucky to have them. And,
Liv Maudsley: yeah, I'm just lucky. Yeah. I know. Yeah. I
Joanne Lockwood: I've met your mom. She's she's an amazing person. So we were talking just
Joanne Lockwood: before we came on air about I'm off to the cinema after discussing
Joanne Lockwood: Inside Out 2. Yeah. As you were speaking around how you had
Joanne Lockwood: these 2 characters in your head, the ones communicating with the outside, the ones
Joanne Lockwood: sort of, like, in the inside, I used to think about my life
Joanne Lockwood: in those sort of terms as well where I had these and then when I
Joanne Lockwood: saw the film Inside Out, the first 1, I suddenly went, that's
Joanne Lockwood: exactly it. That little red angry person
Joanne Lockwood: is what's running my running my mind. And then
Joanne Lockwood: what you have to do is you have to put the little red angry person
Joanne Lockwood: into the chairs, settle them down, and then joy comes out,
Joanne Lockwood: and then the world's a better place. And I really felt that difference where
Joanne Lockwood: I understood all the little characters in my head, who was driving me, who
Joanne Lockwood: was controlling me, and which 1 I actually wanted to
Joanne Lockwood: do the drive. And and the character in Inside
Joanne Lockwood: Out is Jo. And III realized that that was the character that
Joanne Lockwood: always should have been in control of me, but I let the angry 1 or
Joanne Lockwood: let the other 1 or let, yeah, let the other ones take over. The
Joanne Lockwood: sudden realization about those characters and how I was
Joanne Lockwood: communicating and how I was acting was a a real wake up call for me.
Joanne Lockwood: I think it sounds like the same. You had this Yeah. Different different people in
Joanne Lockwood: your head here. 1 1 of them hacked through the control unit and
Joanne Lockwood: you're going, no. No. No. The other 1 should be driving, not not you.
Liv Maudsley: Yeah. And and kind of when kind of like the
Liv Maudsley: angry 1 is Jo, you know driving you so much it
Liv Maudsley: kind of like the joy gets smaller and smaller and smaller and
Liv Maudsley: quieter and quieter. And I think for
Liv Maudsley: me peep- people say you can never fully
Liv Maudsley: recover from an eating disorder, you know, it's impossible, you can't do it. And
Liv Maudsley: I, whether that's right or wrong, I choose not to believe it
Liv Maudsley: because I think, do you know what? I can fully recover
Liv Maudsley: because this is I'm not gonna let this, you know, take
Liv Maudsley: over my life completely because it it has done once and it's not going
Liv Maudsley: to again, and I make that decision for myself.
Liv Maudsley: And I think each of our experiences and people
Liv Maudsley: go through a lot of things in life. And each of our
Liv Maudsley: experiences teach us something and teach us something about
Liv Maudsley: ourselves to then help us for something later
Liv Maudsley: on. And I always think, you know, everything happens for a reason.
Liv Maudsley: What is meant to be will be. And I always say,
Liv Maudsley: Jo, I think that happened for a reason because now I can
Liv Maudsley: openly talk about and try and help people as much as I Joanne.
Liv Maudsley: Help my younger cousins, friends, because I have the
Liv Maudsley: I'm able to empathise with that now and and on
Liv Maudsley: really understand why, which maybe other
Liv Maudsley: people might not. But I think you should always try
Liv Maudsley: and run with with joy in the
Liv Maudsley: forefront of your head. I think it's I think it's super
Liv Maudsley: important because life's too short
Liv Maudsley: to always be angry, always be upset. You know? Life
Liv Maudsley: is about living and and enjoying it. So I
Liv Maudsley: agree. Yeah. Fantastic. Going back to what
Joanne Lockwood: we're talking about earlier, this this this true, not true, this true,
Joanne Lockwood: false, this information, and and I guess you have been in a
Joanne Lockwood: situation where you were telling yourself
Joanne Lockwood: an an untruth and and and reinforcing it without stepping back and going,
Joanne Lockwood: why do I think that? And Yeah. It sounds like the recovery was
Joanne Lockwood: all around self analysis, understanding the lie you were telling yourself
Joanne Lockwood: Yeah. And setting yourself up for a way that's,
Joanne Lockwood: that isn't bringing you joy. So yeah. Do do you still play
Joanne Lockwood: Netball now? Do you go back and Yeah. I I was
Liv Maudsley: the college captain, 1st year
Liv Maudsley: captain of my team. First time I ever went back to Netball
Liv Maudsley: in September last year and I was I was really
Liv Maudsley: scared, I was really scared of myself. Obviously then
Liv Maudsley: I had knee surgery Jo I kind of again had another little
Liv Maudsley: break, But I think I put so much pressure on myself
Liv Maudsley: the first time I played netball, I learned from that and I thought do you
Liv Maudsley: know what I started off playing netball because I loved it
Liv Maudsley: and and that love went away. And I had that time
Liv Maudsley: off, and I've come back, and I love it even more than ever
Liv Maudsley: now because I think I don't need to put pressure on myself. I don't
Liv Maudsley: need to be the best 1 at college. I don't need to win every match.
Liv Maudsley: I don't need to, you know, because I just love to play it and
Liv Maudsley: that's what it should be about. If you're falling out of
Liv Maudsley: love with something, then take a break
Liv Maudsley: or think, well, why am I falling out of love with something?
Liv Maudsley: Because the reason I started was because I loved it.
Liv Maudsley: And, you know, sometimes you just wanna get back to, I just wanna love it
Liv Maudsley: again. So sometimes taking a little break can can
Liv Maudsley: help that. What position do you play? I, I started off as
Liv Maudsley: a shooter and then got told I was too short to be a shooter.
Liv Maudsley: So now I'm in defence like my auntie. So
Liv Maudsley: she's very happy. She converted me into a defender.
Joanne Lockwood: Our daughter played netball. She used to represent her school. I don't think she ever
Joanne Lockwood: got to county, but she I think she played with the guides for a fair
Joanne Lockwood: bit. And she used to do some she used to captain a couple of teams.
Joanne Lockwood: And I think she was in gold gold defense as well. So she was
Joanne Lockwood: even though she's relatively tall, I think she she was always more comfortable
Joanne Lockwood: in defense. So yeah. No. She's we're often driving around the
Joanne Lockwood: town. She said, I used to play netball there. I remember we played that school.
Joanne Lockwood: We played that school, and it's sort of like yeah. Yeah. She remembers them
Joanne Lockwood: all. But, yeah, it was it was a big part of her life, and she
Joanne Lockwood: still talks very very warmly about her Netball memories. A lot of us a lot
Joanne Lockwood: of her friends that she'd meet met and really keeps in touch with now her
Joanne Lockwood: bridesmaids at the wedding were all netball teammates and things.
Joanne Lockwood: So, yeah, she's really passionate about it. That's lovely.
Joanne Lockwood: So you're 17 years old. Yeah. You're doing
Joanne Lockwood: you're doing economics a level. Is that right? Yeah. Where where are you
Joanne Lockwood: heading? Yeah. You're you're fantastically articulate. You've got a lot
Joanne Lockwood: of lot of, I don't know, wisdom in your shoulders.
Joanne Lockwood: Where does where does the world where do you fit in the world? What what
Joanne Lockwood: what's gonna bring you joy in the future? At
Liv Maudsley: this point right now, I'm not sure. The the podcast
Liv Maudsley: brings me joy. I love talking to people. I love
Liv Maudsley: trying to help people. So I really wanna, you know, give that my time and
Liv Maudsley: energy and see where it can go because I think it's because
Liv Maudsley: I just love to do it. I think after
Liv Maudsley: my a levels, gonna take a gap year maybe.
Liv Maudsley: I'm going to look at some universities this weekend and a few
Liv Maudsley: weekends after, you know, to see what it's like. But
Liv Maudsley: I'm not sure completely anything
Liv Maudsley: specific. I'm not like, yeah. Do you know what? I wanna be a doctor or
Liv Maudsley: I wanna be a vet or anything like that. I just think, you
Liv Maudsley: know, what's gonna happen is gonna happen and I'll end up in the right
Liv Maudsley: place because for me as a person the important
Liv Maudsley: things is that you know who you are and what your values
Liv Maudsley: are and what your morals are, not necessarily, you know, what you want to be
Liv Maudsley: because I think then your morals can drive you in whatever you
Liv Maudsley: decide to do. You know, for me, I know that I'm a hard
Liv Maudsley: worker and I know that I'm determined, so I know that whatever I end up
Liv Maudsley: doing, I'll do it to the best of my ability.
Liv Maudsley: And I'm just excited for the unknown, you know? Who knows what's gonna
Liv Maudsley: happen tomorrow, but I think that's quite an exciting thing. I
Joanne Lockwood: love that. I love that. I I spent a lot of my my life
Joanne Lockwood: having it mapped out. Not not forced on me, but
Joanne Lockwood: expectations were set. And I was on this path and on this road,
Joanne Lockwood: and it was kind of like the destination was all. And I I
Joanne Lockwood: had the opportunity or the luxury or the privilege to be able to step
Joanne Lockwood: off and Jo, hang on a minute. I don't wanna go there. I want to
Joanne Lockwood: say different. I'm not not comfortable in who I am. Let's figure this out.
Joanne Lockwood: So for you to have that self awareness at your age now to say, doesn't
Joanne Lockwood: matter. Let me figure it out. I'm I'm I'm I know I'm clever. I know
Joanne Lockwood: I can do stuff. I know I work hard. I know I'm determined. And whatever
Joanne Lockwood: I wanna do, I'll know I'll be good at it. That's a that's a really
Joanne Lockwood: fantastic outlook on life, and you don't need to decide. I'm
Joanne Lockwood: quite envious of you in your youth, having all
Joanne Lockwood: that opportunity ahead of you to just as I Jo with my
Joanne Lockwood: daughter, you know, I I spend my life winking it at the moment. You know?
Joanne Lockwood: I don't have to have a plan beyond beyond what I'm doing next. As long
Joanne Lockwood: as I know what I'm doing next, I don't care what's happening next week or
Joanne Lockwood: next month or next year. People say, do you wanna book a holiday? I go,
Joanne Lockwood: holiday. When do you think about it? 6 months' time. I said, can we wait
Joanne Lockwood: till the day before, please? I I might have what I wanna do then. Yeah.
Joanne Lockwood: I don't like to have it. I don't like to have my life life mapped
Joanne Lockwood: out. It's it's too constraining, isn't it? It is.
Liv Maudsley: Yeah. But I guess for for some people, that's, you know,
Liv Maudsley: how they like it. They like to know the next steps, and
Liv Maudsley: I think both ways are, you know, equally good just depending on
Liv Maudsley: who you are. And for me, how I've been brought with my mom, which I,
Liv Maudsley: you know, won't stop talking about because she's
Liv Maudsley: she's always been there for me, you know, since I was little, and she's
Liv Maudsley: taught me. A lot of the wisdom I have is definitely from her,
Liv Maudsley: and I'm just lucky that, you know, I've got her, and she's she's
Liv Maudsley: always there to give me good advice. Maybe not necessarily what
Liv Maudsley: I wanna hear, but what I need to hear. And,
Liv Maudsley: yeah, and who knows what's gonna happen, and it'll be exciting
Liv Maudsley: either way. It will be. Yeah. I can't I'd
Joanne Lockwood: love to keep in touch and see see where you Jo. But, yeah, it's fascinating.
Joanne Lockwood: And you've got some great skills. You know, the wisdom, the way you see the
Joanne Lockwood: world, your ability to connect with people, the ability to talk,
Joanne Lockwood: the ability to be interested in people. That's I think that's half the battle.
Joanne Lockwood: Yeah. Actually interested in other people, their perspectives, and finding out
Joanne Lockwood: more. I think we we lack that sometimes in the humanity.
Joanne Lockwood: We we're too busy caught in our own world not thinking about the others. I
Joanne Lockwood: think all those skills you have are absolutely fantastic and
Joanne Lockwood: whatever you do, you'll succeed at. And, Oh, thank you. Yeah. So
Joanne Lockwood: yeah. So the what's what's what's next for the school run
Joanne Lockwood: post, podcast? You you've been doing a year and a half. You're gonna carry on
Joanne Lockwood: doing that through through college or university? Yeah. I'm gonna
Liv Maudsley: carry my school on podcast. We've just got our domain name for our
Liv Maudsley: website, which is super exciting. We were supposed to have an
Liv Maudsley: event this year, but because of my surgeries, we're
Liv Maudsley: gonna push it to next year. And I'm gonna continue to
Liv Maudsley: through my a levels. Can't give it the time that I want to because,
Liv Maudsley: obviously, revising. But after that,
Liv Maudsley: for me, it's always, like, whatever I do,
Liv Maudsley: who knows what would happen if you didn't give it everything that you've
Liv Maudsley: got. So whatever happens with it, for me, as
Liv Maudsley: long as I know I gave it everything that I possibly could, and
Liv Maudsley: if it turns out to be amazing, brilliant, and
Liv Maudsley: if it turns out to just stay the size that it is,
Liv Maudsley: well, that's also amazing, and I can, you know, see
Liv Maudsley: what else I can venture onto.
Joanne Lockwood: Are you gonna upgrade it to university girl or something like
Joanne Lockwood: this? Or That's a good point. Everyone's like, what are you gonna do when you're
Liv Maudsley: not on a school run anymore? I'm like, oh, we don't
Liv Maudsley: know. Campus conversations or something. It's just
Joanne Lockwood: you trying to find a trying to find a new title. I
Joanne Lockwood: guess a lot of your audience is gonna age with you, is
Joanne Lockwood: it? Are you so your your your your genre that you're talking
Joanne Lockwood: about now is is is aging with you. Maybe the moms who listen
Joanne Lockwood: to you now and the children in the car and the school run, they're
Joanne Lockwood: they're they're like you. They're they're 2 years older, and, their life is
Joanne Lockwood: growing as well. Yeah. And we called it the score 1 because we thought, you
Liv Maudsley: know, everyone can relate whether you've had a score on
Liv Maudsley: yourself, school on with your children, grandchildren, and we
Liv Maudsley: thought everyone can relate to that, so I think it's a nice
Liv Maudsley: name to you know, call and I think the school runs whether you
Liv Maudsley: go in a car, whether you walk, whether you're on the bus, it's
Liv Maudsley: it's always I think a nice part of the day, So
Liv Maudsley: we thought why not? Let's go out to the school room. Yeah. I think I
Joanne Lockwood: think it's fantastic. It does what it says on the tin. I think it's good.
Joanne Lockwood: Are you worried about being old? You know, you go to university. You're you're being
Joanne Lockwood: oldie, weren't you? People are pretty happy. It's like being last year at
Joanne Lockwood: school. You know, the youngsters are just coming at year, whatever, year 5 or 6,
Joanne Lockwood: whatever they joined school. Looking up and you go, oh, yeah. You're the you're the
Joanne Lockwood: seniors now. You're the seniors now. You're the seniors now. You're getting me old, aren't
Liv Maudsley: you? You're getting me old. I am. I mean, for
Liv Maudsley: me, it's crazy. I turn 17, and I'm starting to learn how to jive, and
Liv Maudsley: I'm like, woah. This happened fast? You know?
Liv Maudsley: Feel like I'm growing up now. Wow. Less than a
Joanne Lockwood: year, you'd be an adult. Yeah? Yeah. I know. I Do stuff. Go for a
Joanne Lockwood: bit. Go for a drink. Go have a glass of wine in the pub. Yeah.
Joanne Lockwood: Before you know it, you're like me. You're nearly 60. How did that happen? I'm
Liv Maudsley: sure up here until 20. How did how did how did I become 60?
Liv Maudsley: It's ridiculous. It's it's crazy. It's like not allowed.
Joanne Lockwood: Jo, yeah, try and keep yourself young. You know, it's it's yeah, you've got you've
Joanne Lockwood: got you've got most people of my age or older, I talk to
Joanne Lockwood: them and they're still the same schoolgirls, still the same schoolboy
Joanne Lockwood: in their heads. Yeah. How you think doesn't really
Joanne Lockwood: change fundamentally who you are. Okay. You get a lot of life experiences, you get
Joanne Lockwood: a lot of different thinking going on. But I talked to my mum and she's
Joanne Lockwood: what? 17 Jo. She's 85 now.
Joanne Lockwood: And deep down she's still a young woman. She's still a young girl. She still
Joanne Lockwood: thinks and excited by the same stuff. So Yeah. It's just that
Joanne Lockwood: your legs fail. Your hearing fails. Your eyesight's failing. Yeah. You
Joanne Lockwood: can't it just don't work. You try to stand up and it would be a
Joanne Lockwood: click. Yeah. That happens. But fundamentally,
Joanne Lockwood: inside, behind the eyes, you're still you're still the same person.
Joanne Lockwood: Important to remember that joy element, isn't it, and just Yeah. Keep going back to
Joanne Lockwood: it and say, let's think who I am really. I'm still that young kid. Still
Joanne Lockwood: wanna play footy. Still wanna play netball. Still wanna run around the park. Still wanna
Joanne Lockwood: get my knees dirty. So, Liv, it's
Joanne Lockwood: been absolutely fantastic. We've had an hour and a bit together and chatting away and
Joanne Lockwood: and plus the school run podcast we did the other week. How do people get
Joanne Lockwood: a hold of you? How do people check out the School Run podcast? How do
Joanne Lockwood: people email you? Or are you are you on LinkedIn? Yeah.
Liv Maudsley: So we've got a school run podcast is on all podcast
Liv Maudsley: platforms, Apple and Spotify. It's just the school
Liv Maudsley: run, with Liv and Jane. We're on
Liv Maudsley: Instagram, the school run_official. Our
Liv Maudsley: website, which is not there yet, but it will be, and it'll be schoolrun.co.e
Liv Maudsley: dotcom. Schoolrun.com.
Liv Maudsley: And, yeah, LinkedIn. I'm on LinkedIn, Olivia
Liv Maudsley: Maudsley, my mom as well, Jane James,
Liv Maudsley: and our School Run is also on LinkedIn as well, the School Run podcast.
Liv Maudsley: So get in touch with us. I'll have a little listen to 1
Liv Maudsley: of our episodes. Brilliant. I'll put all of the details in
Joanne Lockwood: the show notes Jo people will listen to this. They can click on it, make
Joanne Lockwood: contact. Yeah. It's, and, obviously, subscribe to the School Run Podcast
Joanne Lockwood: as well, and and you can listen to the episode with me, which would be
Joanne Lockwood: fantastic. Yeah. Jo
Joanne Lockwood: absolutely fantastic. Thank you so much. Thank you.
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