WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.765 --> 00:00:11.545 Welcome to Inclusion Bites, your sanctuary 2 00:00:11.605 --> 00:00:15.350 for bold conversations that spark change. I'm Joanne Lockwood, 3 00:00:15.510 --> 00:00:18.950 your guide on this journey of exploration into the heart of 4 00:00:18.950 --> 00:00:22.650 inclusion, belonging, and societal transformation. 5 00:00:23.350 --> 00:00:26.865 Ever wondered what it truly takes to create a world where 6 00:00:26.865 --> 00:00:30.465 everyone not only belongs but thrives? You're not 7 00:00:30.465 --> 00:00:33.910 alone. Join me as we uncover the 8 00:00:33.910 --> 00:00:37.510 unseen, challenge the status quo, and share 9 00:00:37.510 --> 00:00:41.325 stories that resonate deep within. Ready to dive 10 00:00:41.325 --> 00:00:45.085 in? Whether you're sipping your morning coffee or winding down 11 00:00:45.085 --> 00:00:48.170 after a long day, let's connect, reflect, 12 00:00:48.550 --> 00:00:52.090 and inspire action together. Don't forget, 13 00:00:52.550 --> 00:00:55.590 you can be part of the conversation too. Reach out to 14 00:00:55.641 --> 00:00:57.375 jo.Lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk 15 00:00:59.435 --> 00:01:02.975 to share your insights while you join me on the show. 16 00:01:03.755 --> 00:01:07.480 So adjust your earbuds and settle in. It's time to 17 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:11.020 ignite the spark of inclusion with Inclusion Bites. 18 00:01:14.995 --> 00:01:18.755 And today is episode 129 with the 19 00:01:18.755 --> 00:01:22.354 title Wisdom on the School Run, and I have the 20 00:01:22.354 --> 00:01:25.720 absolute honor and privilege to welcome Liv Maudsley. 21 00:01:26.340 --> 00:01:29.880 Liv is the cohost of the School Run podcast 22 00:01:30.500 --> 00:01:34.304 and a college student. When I asked Liv to describe her superpower, 23 00:01:34.304 --> 00:01:37.984 she said she would say she has the wisdom to look at 24 00:01:37.984 --> 00:01:41.670 all perspectives, and she loves to understand why someone has a 25 00:01:41.750 --> 00:01:45.290 certain opinion or belief or feels a certain way. 26 00:01:45.830 --> 00:01:49.430 Hello, Liv. Welcome to the show. Oh, hi. Thanks for 27 00:01:49.430 --> 00:01:52.994 having me. Absolute pleasure. I I'm pretty 28 00:01:52.994 --> 00:01:56.615 sure you hold the record for being my youngest guest. 29 00:01:56.994 --> 00:02:00.740 Oh, yeah. I like that. And I was 30 00:02:00.820 --> 00:02:04.500 the I have the privilege of being invited onto your school run podcast just recently. 31 00:02:04.500 --> 00:02:08.120 So Yeah. Yeah. How does it feel to be in the other other 32 00:02:08.180 --> 00:02:11.355 seat, you know, in the as a guest? It feels really 33 00:02:11.895 --> 00:02:15.735 a bit out of control. Usually, I'm the 1, you know, asking 34 00:02:15.735 --> 00:02:19.310 the questions, but, you know, the tables have turned a little 35 00:02:19.310 --> 00:02:23.150 bit. Excellent. I'm looking forward to this. So 36 00:02:23.150 --> 00:02:26.075 we call this episode Wisdom on the School Run. The School Run is the name 37 00:02:26.075 --> 00:02:29.754 of your podcast that you run cohost with your was it your 38 00:02:29.754 --> 00:02:33.275 mom that you run it with? Yeah. So tell me more about Wisdom on the 39 00:02:33.275 --> 00:02:36.960 School Run and your perspective around understanding other people's 40 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:40.800 beliefs. So tell me more. So, yeah, Wisdom on the School Run. 41 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:44.515 So that's mine and my mum's podcast, which we started last year 42 00:02:44.515 --> 00:02:47.975 in February. And it kind of all started because 43 00:02:48.515 --> 00:02:51.155 I had a really long journey to school. So it was an hour and a 44 00:02:51.155 --> 00:02:54.960 half then, hour and a half back. And me and my mum, 45 00:02:55.180 --> 00:02:58.780 you know, once a week, twice a week, we always used to have a really 46 00:02:58.780 --> 00:03:02.400 insightful conversation, I'd tell her something that was going on at school. 47 00:03:02.585 --> 00:03:06.185 And she'd give me her wisdom that she 48 00:03:06.185 --> 00:03:09.805 has, you know, obviously got over time and through 49 00:03:09.945 --> 00:03:13.610 being a CEO. And I'd also give her 50 00:03:13.910 --> 00:03:17.590 my wisdom as, you know, being 17, what I 51 00:03:17.590 --> 00:03:21.155 could try and give from my perspective. And so we 52 00:03:21.155 --> 00:03:24.915 thought, why not put it onto a podcast and bring guests on, and 53 00:03:24.915 --> 00:03:28.330 then they can share their life story and their 54 00:03:28.330 --> 00:03:31.690 wisdom to try and help people to see 55 00:03:31.690 --> 00:03:35.000 things from a different perspective. So yeah. 56 00:03:36.075 --> 00:03:39.855 From your perspective, obviously, what do you see as some of the 57 00:03:39.995 --> 00:03:43.409 the key differences in the way people see the world from a 58 00:03:44.049 --> 00:03:47.750 someone maybe your age under 20 59 00:03:48.049 --> 00:03:51.890 compared with someone who's over 40, over 50? What what's the key differences you 60 00:03:51.890 --> 00:03:55.725 think? I think my generation or 61 00:03:55.725 --> 00:03:58.385 maybe, you know, me personally, I think 62 00:03:59.565 --> 00:04:03.090 we've had a lot more there's been a lot more 63 00:04:03.090 --> 00:04:06.390 education, a lot more awareness 64 00:04:07.090 --> 00:04:10.530 around more topics that I would say maybe, like, my 65 00:04:10.530 --> 00:04:14.105 grandma, or my mom didn't have when they were at 66 00:04:14.105 --> 00:04:17.945 school. However, my grandma, I really love her. I think 67 00:04:17.945 --> 00:04:21.630 she's she's like unique in a generation. She really 68 00:04:21.630 --> 00:04:25.470 loves to understand the younger generation and and kinda what 69 00:04:25.470 --> 00:04:28.690 makes them tick as well, which I really love. She's not 70 00:04:29.085 --> 00:04:32.465 stuck in her ways or or very traditional. She really wants to 71 00:04:32.605 --> 00:04:36.419 understand, which I think is really, really lucky. And in 72 00:04:36.419 --> 00:04:39.960 terms of, you know, inclusion, diversity, and 73 00:04:40.580 --> 00:04:44.340 a lot of things, our generation, my 74 00:04:44.340 --> 00:04:48.145 generation can be it's 75 00:04:48.145 --> 00:04:51.525 it's difficult with social media. I think it's a great thing, 76 00:04:52.145 --> 00:04:55.880 great for education. However, there's 77 00:04:55.880 --> 00:04:59.240 also a lot of judgment and a lot of people putting out their 78 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:03.000 opinions and people judging them on that, and that's, I 79 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:06.835 guess, a challenge that older generations haven't really 80 00:05:06.835 --> 00:05:10.435 had with social media before. Yeah. I grew up. I mean, I was born 81 00:05:10.435 --> 00:05:14.150 in 1965. That's a a lifetime ago for me, but, you 82 00:05:14.150 --> 00:05:17.509 know, a distant memory. Not not not even a memory for you. 83 00:05:17.509 --> 00:05:20.810 Probably not far off the same age as your grandma, I guess. 84 00:05:22.054 --> 00:05:25.755 Jo, yeah, I mean, we had no Internet. We had no mobile phones. 85 00:05:25.755 --> 00:05:28.794 When we were out, we were out. We were gone. There's nothing no way of 86 00:05:28.794 --> 00:05:32.550 tracking us down. My mom would phone around all my friends seeing if I was 87 00:05:32.550 --> 00:05:36.069 there, and we Jo, there's no there's no GPS tracking. There's no 88 00:05:36.069 --> 00:05:39.865 nothing. Yeah. You you turn up at 10 o'clock at night late by 3 89 00:05:39.865 --> 00:05:43.305 hours for your tea, and my mom will be on the doorstep, wagging her finger 90 00:05:43.305 --> 00:05:47.080 at you, wondering where you've been. Jo, yeah, it's it's different. Yeah. People 91 00:05:47.080 --> 00:05:50.040 know where you are. People know what you're doing. They know what you have for 92 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:53.080 breakfast now, don't they? Because you're you're sharing it all the time. Must must be 93 00:05:53.080 --> 00:05:56.460 a a real challenge, you know, being a teenager or being a young person, 94 00:05:57.384 --> 00:06:01.145 having that much visibility on your life by not just your 95 00:06:01.145 --> 00:06:04.285 parents, but but the world. Yeah. But every I mean, 96 00:06:05.050 --> 00:06:08.810 I think every generation, you know, we all have 97 00:06:08.810 --> 00:06:12.650 our different challenges and things that my grandma would have 98 00:06:12.650 --> 00:06:16.405 experienced or my great grandma I could have never imagined and 99 00:06:16.405 --> 00:06:20.165 and vice versa the same way. So I would I don't think I'd ever say 100 00:06:20.165 --> 00:06:23.780 you know 1 generation's had it easier than the other or someone 101 00:06:23.780 --> 00:06:27.139 struggling more than the other because I think, you know, we've all had our 102 00:06:27.139 --> 00:06:30.979 different experiences. But with social media 103 00:06:30.979 --> 00:06:34.755 is you you really see every 104 00:06:34.755 --> 00:06:38.435 bit of someone's life. And I for me, 105 00:06:38.435 --> 00:06:42.100 I had TikTok and and Snapchat, and I 106 00:06:42.100 --> 00:06:45.080 don't have TikTok anymore. I don't have Snapchat either because 107 00:06:45.780 --> 00:06:49.615 I'm not kind of like a social media 108 00:06:49.675 --> 00:06:53.275 person. Very much, I spend a lot of my time with my 109 00:06:53.275 --> 00:06:56.335 family, friends. I love kind of 110 00:06:56.810 --> 00:06:59.389 human contact and and conversations. 111 00:07:00.569 --> 00:07:04.410 I'm not and I could feel myself when I had TikTok. I probably got 112 00:07:04.410 --> 00:07:07.935 it to feel part of everyone, 113 00:07:08.075 --> 00:07:11.675 part of the trend. Everyone's got TikTok. Everyone's on it. So that's 114 00:07:11.675 --> 00:07:15.350 probably why I got it to fit in. And then but 115 00:07:15.350 --> 00:07:18.870 I could feel myself at night scrolling and scrolling for 116 00:07:18.870 --> 00:07:22.550 hours and hours and hours and I just didn't for me I just 117 00:07:22.550 --> 00:07:26.065 didn't like that. I didn't like how I'd wake up then really 118 00:07:26.065 --> 00:07:29.285 tired and how it was just unproductive 119 00:07:30.145 --> 00:07:33.560 use of my time. So I was like, I'm just gonna delete it, 120 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:37.320 and I'm gonna delete Snapchat too. And that was where a 121 00:07:37.320 --> 00:07:41.080 lot of my friends messaged. So I did feel, oh, what if I'm gonna 122 00:07:41.080 --> 00:07:44.675 miss out? What if they're gonna, you know, get an inside joke and then they're 123 00:07:44.675 --> 00:07:48.035 gonna say it at school and I'm not gonna get it? But I thought, do 124 00:07:48.035 --> 00:07:51.720 you know what? For me, I don't wanna be 125 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:55.160 on Snapchat and TikTok all the time. I wanna be in the 126 00:07:55.160 --> 00:07:58.805 present and and live now. 127 00:07:59.264 --> 00:08:02.724 So that's kind of why I got rid of 128 00:08:03.104 --> 00:08:06.884 those things. So for someone like myself, I I 129 00:08:07.330 --> 00:08:11.170 the way I use TikTok is I I post clips of my podcast, other 130 00:08:11.170 --> 00:08:15.015 little things on there. I very rarely spend any time watching 131 00:08:15.015 --> 00:08:18.615 anybody else. And I'm my Snapchat use 132 00:08:18.615 --> 00:08:22.375 is I use the filters sometimes. I use Bitmoji, and I think you have to 133 00:08:22.375 --> 00:08:26.039 log on to get Bitmoji through Snapchat. So that's I'm a very kind of 134 00:08:26.039 --> 00:08:29.400 casual user. So what what is it about those 135 00:08:29.400 --> 00:08:33.115 platforms that is so addictive to people that consumes all this time? What 136 00:08:33.115 --> 00:08:36.414 do they give you? I'm not sure. It's 137 00:08:37.034 --> 00:08:40.759 obviously, on there, you've got a lot of different content that 138 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:44.199 people post. Some of it, for me, on my Instagram, it's a lot 139 00:08:44.199 --> 00:08:47.959 of educational content, and I learn a lot of things from it, which I 140 00:08:47.959 --> 00:08:51.625 think is 1 of the reasons why it's so good. And obviously, you've 141 00:08:51.625 --> 00:08:55.145 got content that's funny and also content into people's lives. 142 00:08:55.145 --> 00:08:58.940 And I feel like for everyone, maybe it's it's 143 00:08:58.940 --> 00:09:02.700 different. Some for some people, I know that some of my friends, their 144 00:09:02.700 --> 00:09:06.400 phone is like an escape from the real world 145 00:09:07.185 --> 00:09:10.705 And they think, well, TikTok, I can look into 146 00:09:10.705 --> 00:09:14.465 someone else's life and and I'd I can get out of my life 147 00:09:14.465 --> 00:09:18.300 for a while. And I have heard that's how some of my friends view it, 148 00:09:18.300 --> 00:09:21.820 which I've never seen it that way before, I would go 149 00:09:21.820 --> 00:09:25.259 around and I'd say, oh, you're on your phone all the time, like a parent, 150 00:09:25.259 --> 00:09:28.845 and say, get off your phone or stop being antisocial. 151 00:09:29.225 --> 00:09:32.505 And then when 1 of my friends said that to me, I was like, that's 152 00:09:32.505 --> 00:09:36.020 really interesting. Imagine really not 153 00:09:36.020 --> 00:09:39.620 wanting to be in your life so much that you spend all your 154 00:09:39.620 --> 00:09:43.254 time looking at someone else's life. Yeah. I I 155 00:09:43.254 --> 00:09:46.855 find myself picking my phone up too much. You know? It and I found 156 00:09:46.855 --> 00:09:50.634 myself I was at a conference and and they had fidget toys on the table. 157 00:09:51.390 --> 00:09:53.950 And I picked up a fidget toy, and I was playing with this fidget toy. 158 00:09:53.950 --> 00:09:57.390 And then after at the end of the day, I realized that I hadn't picked 159 00:09:57.390 --> 00:10:01.074 my phone up, because it was somehow something I needed to play with some stim 160 00:10:01.154 --> 00:10:04.915 to stimulate me, but my brain was needing to do something. It's a bit 161 00:10:04.915 --> 00:10:07.940 like stimming, I guess, a bit something like that. But I was playing these fidget 162 00:10:07.940 --> 00:10:11.140 toys, and it allowed me to put my phone down. So I recognized that I 163 00:10:11.140 --> 00:10:14.900 am kind of addicted to to touching the phone, being near it, playing 164 00:10:14.900 --> 00:10:18.644 with it, absorbing something from it. And I need to distract my 165 00:10:18.644 --> 00:10:22.404 brain in a different way. So I Joanne imagine how you're sitting there 166 00:10:22.404 --> 00:10:26.100 at night, your doom is scrolling, you're flicking through, you're flicking through, you're flicking through. 167 00:10:26.259 --> 00:10:29.560 6 seconds, nah, nah. Oh, yeah. Right. This 1. Yeah. Nah. 168 00:10:30.420 --> 00:10:34.180 And, yeah, it just keeps feeding the beast, doesn't it? It knows what you like, 169 00:10:34.180 --> 00:10:37.584 knows what you don't like. And it and then it just becomes a 170 00:10:37.584 --> 00:10:41.024 habit. And I know sometimes I'll be out 171 00:10:41.024 --> 00:10:44.785 somewhere and I'll, like, put my hand in my pocket just 172 00:10:44.785 --> 00:10:48.550 through habit that my phone's there, and I'm thinking, where's my phone? 173 00:10:48.610 --> 00:10:52.449 You know, it's usually in that pocket. And I was like, woah. I 174 00:10:52.449 --> 00:10:55.715 can tell I'm I'm addicted to my phone a little bit. Yeah. 175 00:10:56.415 --> 00:10:59.795 I I started watching a few reel I I still watch reels on Facebook, 176 00:11:00.495 --> 00:11:04.275 and I think I clicked on a it's a was it a Pac Joanne bullfrog? 177 00:11:04.779 --> 00:11:08.540 And it's basically frogs eating other frogs or frogs eating insects 178 00:11:08.540 --> 00:11:11.980 or insect versus in and suddenly my feet is full of this 179 00:11:11.980 --> 00:11:15.645 insect wars and and frog wars. It's like, go away. I 180 00:11:15.645 --> 00:11:18.705 wanna see something. Then I find myself getting 181 00:11:19.405 --> 00:11:23.245 lions eating things. It's like so now I've got all these wildlife adventures going 182 00:11:23.245 --> 00:11:26.449 on. It's like they're eating stuff. It's like Jo, no, go away. I want to 183 00:11:26.449 --> 00:11:30.290 go back to something normal. It's like it's crazy 184 00:11:30.290 --> 00:11:33.565 how the algorithm gets you, isn't it? It it detects what you've liked. It detects 185 00:11:33.565 --> 00:11:37.245 what you've watched. And then suddenly I'm seeing this stuff that I was only I 186 00:11:37.245 --> 00:11:40.465 was only casually browsing. It's like, no. Thank you. Enough now. 187 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:45.100 Yeah. And and then you just watch 1 video for 188 00:11:45.400 --> 00:11:49.000 however long, and then suddenly, all your videos are about that 189 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:52.795 thing and how your phone listens to you as well which 190 00:11:52.795 --> 00:11:56.315 I think is crazy. I was having a conversation with my mum 191 00:11:56.315 --> 00:12:00.110 about you know me driving and taking my driving test. Next 192 00:12:00.110 --> 00:12:03.570 minute I look on my phone, I've got adverts for driving instructors, 193 00:12:03.950 --> 00:12:07.654 and and I was like, woah, that's crazy. And 194 00:12:07.654 --> 00:12:10.855 they all claim they don't do that, but they do it. And there's there's too 195 00:12:10.855 --> 00:12:14.535 much coincidence. You know? Mhmm. I'm a sometimes, you know, we 196 00:12:14.535 --> 00:12:18.360 have biases that will make us think that it's random and or, you know, 197 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:21.980 random things happen, but I've seen too many examples. My wife, Marie, 198 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:25.000 we've talked about something and all of a sudden it pops up on her phone. 199 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:28.695 It's like, how did that happen? Yeah. It's like, yeah, completely random. So, yeah, 200 00:12:28.695 --> 00:12:32.535 there's there's something going on or it'd be 201 00:12:32.535 --> 00:12:36.080 entirely something. The only thing I thought about maybe is if I go onto it 202 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:39.839 with my phone, something tracks my IP address. And when Marie connects on 203 00:12:39.839 --> 00:12:43.435 her phone through the Wi Fi, it's using the same IP address. So maybe it's 204 00:12:43.435 --> 00:12:47.195 feeding it based on an IP address. Yeah. That's the only other 205 00:12:47.195 --> 00:12:50.200 that's the only other theory I Joanne think of because it it thinks you're the 206 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:53.720 same person, and, the the the tracking cookies 207 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:56.520 maybe hook it up that way. I I don't know. I've I've never got to 208 00:12:56.520 --> 00:13:00.085 the bottom of it, but you're right. Something is listening. Something is 209 00:13:00.085 --> 00:13:03.845 definitely listening. So the I I said the 210 00:13:03.845 --> 00:13:07.460 older generation. Yeah. The millennials, you know, my my our 2 211 00:13:07.460 --> 00:13:11.000 children are millennials, and they grew up in a world where, 212 00:13:11.540 --> 00:13:15.320 you know, the time waster was games. Yeah. Not maybe on the phone, but 213 00:13:15.460 --> 00:13:19.245 console games. My my son had a PlayStation Portable. You know, in 214 00:13:19.245 --> 00:13:23.085 fact, every every portable gaming device he has, and he he plays them in 215 00:13:23.085 --> 00:13:25.585 different things. I'll play that on that. I'll play that on that. I was like, 216 00:13:25.885 --> 00:13:29.390 really? I can't I can't handle 1 device. So do you find 217 00:13:29.390 --> 00:13:33.230 that things like TikTok and Reels and Insta and those sort of things have 218 00:13:33.230 --> 00:13:37.024 replaced the gaming thing, or do you think there's still there's not only that and 219 00:13:37.024 --> 00:13:40.785 the gaming goes on? I think I'm not sure. I 220 00:13:40.785 --> 00:13:44.589 don't have an Xbox or anything, but I know it's still you 221 00:13:44.589 --> 00:13:48.269 know, my half brother still has an Xbox and my cousins 222 00:13:48.269 --> 00:13:52.084 have Xboxes. I think it's still for 223 00:13:52.084 --> 00:13:55.845 for younger children who may be like on on social 224 00:13:55.845 --> 00:13:59.605 media yet, I think it's still big. But then I feel like by the time 225 00:13:59.605 --> 00:14:03.260 you hit maybe high school or or 226 00:14:03.260 --> 00:14:07.100 college, it's then a huge thing, you know, 227 00:14:07.100 --> 00:14:10.505 to have Snapchat, to have Instagram. And that's 228 00:14:10.565 --> 00:14:14.165 people's main form of communication now, Snapchat for 229 00:14:14.165 --> 00:14:17.710 me, because I don't have it. It's WhatsApp. And people 230 00:14:17.710 --> 00:14:21.273 actually find it really weird if I meet someone new and they say, oh Joanne 231 00:14:21.310 --> 00:14:24.530 I be Snapchat? And I'm like, oh I don't have it. And they think, 232 00:14:25.095 --> 00:14:28.315 first, they think my mum's really strict and won't let me have it. 233 00:14:28.695 --> 00:14:32.140 And they can't get their their head around the fact that I just 234 00:14:32.540 --> 00:14:36.080 I had it, and then I deleted it being just because I didn't want it. 235 00:14:36.540 --> 00:14:40.175 It's quite funny to see people's reactions when you say, no. I don't have 236 00:14:40.255 --> 00:14:44.015 Snapchat. You'll have to take my number instead. Yeah. 237 00:14:44.015 --> 00:14:47.615 So I I suppose I'm AAA Facebook generation. I'll I use 238 00:14:47.615 --> 00:14:51.060 Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp. Yeah. I wouldn't venture on 239 00:14:51.060 --> 00:14:54.740 Snapchat or even as I say, I use TikTok 240 00:14:54.740 --> 00:14:58.339 more of a as a outbound marketing rather than inbound, and they'll 241 00:14:58.339 --> 00:15:01.985 consume me that way. So what what the issues do you 242 00:15:01.985 --> 00:15:05.665 perceive for your generation? I'm not saying the 243 00:15:05.665 --> 00:15:09.250 entire world of your generation, but your your circle of 244 00:15:09.250 --> 00:15:13.010 friends. What what are the big issues that you're worried about in 245 00:15:13.010 --> 00:15:16.845 society, in for the planet, for the workplace? What do you 246 00:15:17.004 --> 00:15:20.545 what do what do people your generation care about the most? I think 247 00:15:20.925 --> 00:15:23.824 we're very heavy, our generation, on 248 00:15:24.330 --> 00:15:27.710 1, mental health and 2, 249 00:15:28.490 --> 00:15:32.010 diversity diversity and inclusion. I think they're both 2 250 00:15:32.010 --> 00:15:35.795 very hue and and the planet and sustainability. I 251 00:15:35.795 --> 00:15:39.394 think those 3, I would say, are kind of the main 3 in our 252 00:15:39.394 --> 00:15:42.970 generation. With we've had a lot more at high 253 00:15:42.970 --> 00:15:46.810 school, you have a lot more education on it. For 254 00:15:46.810 --> 00:15:50.384 me, I I feel like 255 00:15:50.384 --> 00:15:54.064 there's a line somewhere. I don't know where it 256 00:15:54.064 --> 00:15:57.665 is. But with mental health, I 257 00:15:57.665 --> 00:16:01.400 think our generation has not 258 00:16:01.400 --> 00:16:05.160 everyone has come a bit, and that might be due to 259 00:16:05.160 --> 00:16:08.435 social media, That anything someone 260 00:16:08.575 --> 00:16:11.154 says can be perceived as offended 261 00:16:11.935 --> 00:16:15.615 or or someone can be offended by something. And then you're in this 262 00:16:15.615 --> 00:16:19.439 situation where anything that you say, whether it's to your 263 00:16:19.439 --> 00:16:23.279 friends or you post it on Facebook, Instagram, or whatever, is 264 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:26.925 gonna get judged and is gonna get someone's gonna interpret it 265 00:16:26.925 --> 00:16:30.705 as attacking someone or, you know, 266 00:16:30.765 --> 00:16:34.285 something like that. And for me, I've 267 00:16:34.285 --> 00:16:38.090 done a few courses on mindfulness 268 00:16:38.470 --> 00:16:42.310 and and self development, which taught me 269 00:16:42.310 --> 00:16:45.975 kind of it's people project out 270 00:16:45.975 --> 00:16:49.735 what's going on for them. So it's not necessarily that 271 00:16:49.735 --> 00:16:53.255 someone's offending you or or attacking you in any 272 00:16:53.255 --> 00:16:57.090 way, But maybe something's going on for them, and 273 00:16:57.090 --> 00:17:00.529 they that's how they're just expressing how they 274 00:17:00.529 --> 00:17:04.044 feel. And I think diversity and inclusion is the same. 275 00:17:04.184 --> 00:17:07.804 At my high school, obviously a big thing. 276 00:17:08.345 --> 00:17:12.050 And I had a few friends that that transition from 277 00:17:12.490 --> 00:17:15.710 1 of my best friends, is gay, 278 00:17:16.010 --> 00:17:19.535 and, another 1 of our friends in that 279 00:17:19.535 --> 00:17:23.295 friendship group changed from female to 280 00:17:23.295 --> 00:17:27.010 male. And I for 281 00:17:27.010 --> 00:17:30.610 me, I support anyone because I think your 282 00:17:30.610 --> 00:17:34.049 life is your life and you live it the way you feel 283 00:17:34.049 --> 00:17:37.785 most comfortable to live it. Not dependent on what 284 00:17:37.785 --> 00:17:40.925 other people think about you or anything like that, 285 00:17:41.385 --> 00:17:44.990 but how you feel most comfortable. And I 286 00:17:44.990 --> 00:17:48.690 understand that maybe at my age, teenagers, 287 00:17:48.830 --> 00:17:52.405 a lot of kind of figuring out who you are, a lot 288 00:17:52.405 --> 00:17:56.185 of discovery, and maybe that is like some experimentation 289 00:17:56.805 --> 00:18:00.290 and not knowing who you are and trying different 290 00:18:00.290 --> 00:18:04.130 things to understand who you are as a person. But 291 00:18:04.130 --> 00:18:07.845 I also I've seen on TikTok when I 292 00:18:07.845 --> 00:18:11.365 had it, is it kind 293 00:18:11.365 --> 00:18:14.345 of almost becoming a trend, 294 00:18:15.070 --> 00:18:18.750 which I really don't like to say, because I really hope that it's 295 00:18:18.750 --> 00:18:22.510 not a trend of and I don't know whether it's, 296 00:18:22.510 --> 00:18:26.085 it's people feel like they have to do it for attention to fit in. 297 00:18:27.505 --> 00:18:31.184 I'm not sure. And I'm not saying it's it's right or wrong. But I 298 00:18:31.184 --> 00:18:35.000 think it can take away from those people who 299 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:38.760 genuinely feel, you know, if they're transitioning or if 300 00:18:38.760 --> 00:18:42.155 they're gay or if they genuinely feel that something 301 00:18:42.535 --> 00:18:46.294 about them is is not right. And, 302 00:18:46.294 --> 00:18:50.000 yeah, from my generation, that's how 303 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:53.760 it's it seems for me, which might be different to 304 00:18:53.760 --> 00:18:57.600 you because I'm sure it what is not a 305 00:18:57.600 --> 00:19:01.175 trend. But, yeah, that's I think those 306 00:19:01.175 --> 00:19:03.915 issues, it's just how we 307 00:19:04.695 --> 00:19:07.995 teach children and and in education in schools 308 00:19:09.550 --> 00:19:13.010 a different way of looking at it, if that makes sense. 309 00:19:14.190 --> 00:19:17.865 Yeah. I I mean, I grew up in an era where self 310 00:19:17.865 --> 00:19:21.545 awareness, self reflection, understanding who you 311 00:19:21.545 --> 00:19:25.225 are, what your ambitions are, what makes you happy, what makes you sad, it just 312 00:19:25.225 --> 00:19:28.630 wasn't really part of life. You 313 00:19:28.690 --> 00:19:32.530 you you were a child, you you you were brainy, 314 00:19:32.530 --> 00:19:36.370 you were you were artistic, you had you were characterized more by what you 315 00:19:36.370 --> 00:19:40.054 did and what career you took, but you never self 316 00:19:40.054 --> 00:19:43.735 analyzed. You just ended up falling into what you were good at, not 317 00:19:43.735 --> 00:19:47.380 what made you happy, not what made it give you passion. That's how I ended 318 00:19:47.380 --> 00:19:51.080 up doing electronics because my mum thought I was good at electronics, 319 00:19:51.140 --> 00:19:54.820 but really my passion was photography. I never never explored it. 320 00:19:54.820 --> 00:19:58.365 So, yeah, we never really talked about feelings 321 00:19:58.425 --> 00:20:02.185 or or needs in that way. We were just waiting for the school 322 00:20:02.185 --> 00:20:04.905 bell. We'd go and play in the park and, and disappear for a couple of 323 00:20:04.905 --> 00:20:08.710 hours, get on our bikes, cycle home. So, yeah, I think I think 324 00:20:08.710 --> 00:20:12.309 today, there's more awareness of of of who who we are as 325 00:20:12.309 --> 00:20:16.005 individuals, aren't we? Not not just around our our gender or 326 00:20:16.005 --> 00:20:19.605 sexuality, but also culturally, what matters to us, 327 00:20:19.605 --> 00:20:22.645 doesn't it? I think that's I think I think it's wonderful. I think it's amazing 328 00:20:22.645 --> 00:20:26.289 that we're now We're taking time to figure ourselves out rather than 329 00:20:26.289 --> 00:20:30.130 waiting till we're in our forties and going, I've been doing this life for 40 330 00:20:30.130 --> 00:20:33.595 years now, and I I should've I should've stopped years ago and had another go 331 00:20:33.595 --> 00:20:37.115 at it. Yeah. Yeah. You you've I'm sure you're you feel far more 332 00:20:37.115 --> 00:20:40.415 empowered to say, no. That's not working for me. I'm gonna just say different now. 333 00:20:40.635 --> 00:20:44.170 Yeah. I think I think, yeah, 334 00:20:44.170 --> 00:20:48.010 that's how I I feel. And I think for me, I've 335 00:20:48.010 --> 00:20:51.774 been really lucky because my mum, especially, 336 00:20:52.075 --> 00:20:55.595 and my family are all very supportive 337 00:20:55.595 --> 00:20:59.180 of do what you love, You know? Do what you're 338 00:20:59.180 --> 00:21:02.960 passionate about. Whether whether you're good at it or not, 339 00:21:03.020 --> 00:21:06.780 do what you love because because then the the drive to 340 00:21:06.780 --> 00:21:10.235 work hard, the drive to push through and 341 00:21:10.235 --> 00:21:13.375 carry on will will come from passion 342 00:21:14.075 --> 00:21:17.860 and love for what you're doing. So I've been really lucky in that sense 343 00:21:17.860 --> 00:21:21.700 that I've had that instilled in me from a very young 344 00:21:21.700 --> 00:21:25.515 age. So naturally then when my 345 00:21:25.515 --> 00:21:29.275 friends are saying, you know, my mum, she wants me to do this and she 346 00:21:29.275 --> 00:21:32.495 wants me to go to uni and she wants me to get this job, 347 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:36.600 I always chat to them and I say, yeah, but what do you 348 00:21:36.600 --> 00:21:40.415 want to do? Like, this is your life, you know, it's 349 00:21:40.415 --> 00:21:43.455 not it's not your mum's, it's not your dad's, it's not your carers, it's not 350 00:21:43.455 --> 00:21:46.435 anyone else's, it's yours and you need to spend 351 00:21:47.110 --> 00:21:50.950 the time that you have, which as humans is quite 352 00:21:50.950 --> 00:21:54.470 sure, the time that you have doing something that you really, really 353 00:21:54.470 --> 00:21:58.315 enjoy to make the most out of your life. But 354 00:21:58.315 --> 00:22:02.155 here in the media, old people, from your perspective, old 355 00:22:02.155 --> 00:22:05.570 people, So we've become far too woke as a 356 00:22:05.570 --> 00:22:09.110 society where we're pandering to the minorities. We're 357 00:22:09.170 --> 00:22:12.930 we're giving you these minority voices too much 358 00:22:12.930 --> 00:22:16.675 and we be going back to old traditional values and just 359 00:22:16.675 --> 00:22:19.895 get on with stuff. What's the feeling that you get from 360 00:22:20.275 --> 00:22:23.660 listening to that kind of stuff coming back at you if you like? 361 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:27.740 I think because each of our generations 362 00:22:27.800 --> 00:22:31.495 have has grown up very differently and we've all 363 00:22:31.495 --> 00:22:35.095 got different morals, different things that we're 364 00:22:35.095 --> 00:22:38.774 passionate about based on, you know, the experiences that we've 365 00:22:38.774 --> 00:22:42.169 lived. You know, for me, I can't say 366 00:22:42.169 --> 00:22:45.929 anything how I feel on, like, a world war because I've 367 00:22:45.929 --> 00:22:49.434 never experienced 1. So I don't know what it is like to go to 368 00:22:49.434 --> 00:22:52.955 war or to to live in that situation. So 369 00:22:52.955 --> 00:22:56.575 therefore, I can't say if someone's done something 370 00:22:56.870 --> 00:23:00.710 in a right or wrong way because I wouldn't know. I just 371 00:23:00.710 --> 00:23:03.930 think I can understand from from 372 00:23:04.245 --> 00:23:08.005 older generations looking at us. I hear a lot that 373 00:23:08.005 --> 00:23:11.545 we're, you know, the snowflake generation and 374 00:23:12.325 --> 00:23:15.980 we're very maybe because we're so we 375 00:23:15.980 --> 00:23:19.280 really wanna help the planet and diversity and inclusion, 376 00:23:19.900 --> 00:23:23.360 and that's not been traditional because 377 00:23:24.045 --> 00:23:27.405 older generations haven't had the education or or awareness of 378 00:23:27.405 --> 00:23:30.845 that. I don't think either 1 is right or 379 00:23:30.845 --> 00:23:34.220 wrong. I just think they can see 380 00:23:35.560 --> 00:23:39.400 we we don't wanna be dividing us by, you 381 00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:43.165 know, what we believe and our opinions, and I don't 382 00:23:43.165 --> 00:23:47.005 think it's right to say you're right and I'm wrong. 383 00:23:47.005 --> 00:23:50.700 I'm right and you're wrong because then we're never gonna live, you 384 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:54.600 know, together as 1. There's always gonna be, you 385 00:23:54.600 --> 00:23:58.140 know, clashes and people not liking things. 386 00:23:58.894 --> 00:24:02.735 So I think it's important to understand that us as a 387 00:24:02.735 --> 00:24:06.195 as a younger generation, just respect 388 00:24:06.809 --> 00:24:10.270 for for our old generations and an understanding that, 389 00:24:10.809 --> 00:24:14.650 you know, not to judge them by by what they say or what 390 00:24:14.650 --> 00:24:18.325 they're calling us because their experience is different. And to 391 00:24:18.325 --> 00:24:22.165 understand they have the right to that opinion, you know, whether we like it 392 00:24:22.165 --> 00:24:25.670 or not, they're gonna say what they're gonna say and that's absolutely fine. 393 00:24:26.050 --> 00:24:29.890 And the same for the older generation, even though we are younger and we may 394 00:24:29.890 --> 00:24:33.375 be doing things a little bit differently, But just the 395 00:24:33.375 --> 00:24:37.135 mutual respect for all of us so that we 396 00:24:37.135 --> 00:24:40.800 can live, you know, more united as a as a 397 00:24:40.800 --> 00:24:44.340 country as a world and less conflict 398 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:48.100 and less, you know, wars and 399 00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:51.735 and yeah, I think it's important. So you mentioned the 400 00:24:51.735 --> 00:24:55.095 planet. Do you think the planet will last long enough for you to grow up 401 00:24:55.095 --> 00:24:58.600