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Joanne Lockwood: And today is episode
Joanne Lockwood: 149 with the title Beating
Joanne Lockwood: the Odds. And I have the absolute honour and privilege to
Joanne Lockwood: welcome Georges Cordoba. Georges is a
Joanne Lockwood: stage 4 cancer survivor, holistic health coach
Joanne Lockwood: and best selling author who empowers individuals to
Joanne Lockwood: transform their health vitality through
Joanne Lockwood: holistic even practises. When I asked Georges
Joanne Lockwood: is describe his superpower, he said it is turning adversity into
Joanne Lockwood: a mission of hope, healing and purpose.
Joanne Lockwood: Hello Georges, welcome to the show. How you doing
Georges Cordova: Joanne? Thank you for inviting me and I'm honoured to
Georges Cordova: share some minutes with you.
Joanne Lockwood: Absolute pleasure. So we were chatting in the green room just now and
Joanne Lockwood: you're New Mexico in the, in the, in the U.S.
Joanne Lockwood: yes. And you were telling me a bit about how you have family
Joanne Lockwood: and relatives in the California area with the wildfires. Do
Joanne Lockwood: you want to tell me about how worrying that is? Yes,
Georges Cordova: very worrying. Because on top of
Georges Cordova: everything the fires are very tough
Georges Cordova: to contain because they have 85, 90
Georges Cordova: mile an hour winds on top of everything. So like a perfect
Georges Cordova: storm. Now they have like, and that's unusual,
Georges Cordova: a tropical storm turning hurricane over there. So
Georges Cordova: they, they're getting better but it's been,
Georges Cordova: it's been crazy. When you see pictures it seems like it also looks
Georges Cordova: like, like in the, an atomic
Georges Cordova: bomb the way they burned all those homes. And there are some
Georges Cordova: unexplicable situations where you see an entire
Georges Cordova: streets of mansions burned out and then on the side
Georges Cordova: you still see some trees that were not here. So it was
Georges Cordova: like it's nature, it's, it's tough to, to understand
Georges Cordova: sometimes when you see the, the end result but it's,
Georges Cordova: it's worrying, not so much also, I mean the burning is amazing
Georges Cordova: but the smoke they're evacuating folks in terms of,
Georges Cordova: you know, for, for smoke inhalation. So my, my son lives
Georges Cordova: in Venice beach which is well basically
Georges Cordova: right at the coast. He's not being evacuated yet and I
Georges Cordova: have some Greek family in San Fernando Valley and
Georges Cordova: it hasn't been affected but again a valley getting
Georges Cordova: all this smoke. They were talking about yesterday that also
Georges Cordova: having these folks evacuate because of the smoking
Georges Cordova: in late in fishing. Yeah. So it's,
Georges Cordova: it's quite for us, you know, anywhere. I have my, my
Georges Cordova: oldest son there and some of my mother's
Georges Cordova: cousins like I said in Sherman Oaks.
Georges Cordova: But hopefully by, by the end of the week, hopefully
Georges Cordova: with right now is Monday, but we're hoping that very soon,
Georges Cordova: sooner than later they can contain this stuff. Destruction
Georges Cordova: is amazing. LA is not the same my son
Georges Cordova: is saying and affects obviously the, the work,
Georges Cordova: the folks are professionals. You have the elite there, the
Georges Cordova: Hollywood stars losing their homes and you
Georges Cordova: know, it's a little bit crazy right now. Yeah, yeah.
Joanne Lockwood: People are given minutes to evacuate. They're leaving
Joanne Lockwood: everything behind. Literally what they're wearing.
Georges Cordova: Exactly. They can do anything. It's like,
Georges Cordova: you know, like hurricanes. I lived in Miami,
Georges Cordova: Florida for 30 years and
Georges Cordova: we've, we've gone through a few of them. Particularly one in
Georges Cordova: 1993 was very, very strong with
Georges Cordova: 200 mile winds, 225
Georges Cordova: mile gust winds. Andrew, Hurricane
Georges Cordova: Andrew and same thing. If you're in the evacuation
Georges Cordova: zone, you leave everything behind and hope that is there when you
Georges Cordova: come back. Yeah, I mean being in the uk we often play
Joanne Lockwood: about our weather being too hot, too cold, too wet, too windy, whatever.
Joanne Lockwood: But our weather really is not in extremes. It's kind of like
Joanne Lockwood: middling. Whereas in the us I mean my family and I, we spent some
Joanne Lockwood: time in Orlando doing the Disney sort of
Joanne Lockwood: experience and we'd never experienced thunderstorms and torrential
Joanne Lockwood: rain that lasted like 10 minutes. Thunderstorm, rainstorm, 10 minutes,
Joanne Lockwood: then suddenly, poof, it's blue sky again. Never experienced
Joanne Lockwood: anything like that. And also I spent some time working in California and
Joanne Lockwood: la. Minor earthquakes, but I spent
Joanne Lockwood: time in the Beverly Hills area, Santa Monica,
Joanne Lockwood: Venice Beach, Long beach, those places down San
Joanne Lockwood: Diego. So yeah, you see these environments, you just think they're almost
Joanne Lockwood: invincible. But this fire has been a great leveller, isn't it?
Georges Cordova: Yes, it's levelling. Yes, absolutely.
Georges Cordova: Yeah. So George's, your
Joanne Lockwood: journey from battling advanced cancer to
Joanne Lockwood: becoming a holistic health coach is quite remarkable. And so how did this
Joanne Lockwood: shape your purpose and to quote you, give you a chance to sing
Joanne Lockwood: the song you were Born to sing. Yeah. It's
Georges Cordova: interesting because many people, Joanne,
Georges Cordova: don't find their purpose. They go through their life and in a
Georges Cordova: way existing. Just like Oscar Wilde said
Georges Cordova: that we were the most interesting folks because all
Georges Cordova: we do is exist. And I believe in that. And in my
Georges Cordova: case since I was a youngster, I always
Georges Cordova: like to help people. Somehow I was born with that,
Georges Cordova: some talent, if you will. I just. I
Georges Cordova: was always aware of seeing the less fortunate around
Georges Cordova: me, especially growing up in South America and
Georges Cordova: Venezuela. My parents being immigrants, you know,
Georges Cordova: they worked so much to get back to on their
Georges Cordova: feet because they lost everything in World War II. My family
Georges Cordova: from Greece and then the other part of my family from
Georges Cordova: Spain, they went to Venezuela. They were, they were doing
Georges Cordova: great in Europe with the war. They, they were
Georges Cordova: victims of losing pretty much everything. And so,
Georges Cordova: but, so, but they managed to go to clubs. My
Georges Cordova: dad ended up playing Davis cup tennis. I learned tennis and
Georges Cordova: that's how I end up in the United States. But I always
Georges Cordova: wanted to help people. For example, they would give us allowance at
Georges Cordova: the club, you know, for the day we would be working out,
Georges Cordova: learning tennis and practising them. I became part of the
Georges Cordova: junior national junior team and we had ball boys.
Georges Cordova: These ball boys were. They were poor kids
Georges Cordova: that they would, you know, bring in and they would give them
Georges Cordova: uniforms and they would be our ball boys, even for
Georges Cordova: kids to kids. And I, I had a lot of
Georges Cordova: compassion for them and I would convince my,
Georges Cordova: my friends to give them the change. After we will
Georges Cordova: go and have snacks, we'll give them the change. So we would go to
Georges Cordova: where they were gathering. They had them in a place in the club and
Georges Cordova: we will just give them the change that we got from, from
Georges Cordova: eating so they could go eat. So that was something that I grew up
Georges Cordova: with. I learned. I went to school with the Jesuits
Georges Cordova: and, and they had a ministry to
Georges Cordova: do some, some help to the areas of less
Georges Cordova: fortunate favelas and stuff like that. I went to
Georges Cordova: a place to help the. It was a tribe
Georges Cordova: in the border between Venezuela and Colombia
Georges Cordova: and we spent two weeks helping them
Georges Cordova: building, getting electricity and stuff and just
Georges Cordova: living, you know, being in hammocks with this amazing
Georges Cordova: things to protect ourselves with this huge
Georges Cordova: mosquitoes and. But at the end we will leave
Georges Cordova: and you know, when you serve others, and I have this in
Georges Cordova: my book, service is healing as well. We, we have a
Georges Cordova: component in ourselves, Joanne, that is to
Georges Cordova: help people to, to be, you know, kind of
Georges Cordova: like some of the avatars, not only Jesus, but you know, in, in
Georges Cordova: the, in, in the East Indians, you know, Babaji.
Georges Cordova: And later on more modern
Georges Cordova: Paramahanta Yogananda. I read these folks and
Georges Cordova: it's all about love and service. And I have to tell you this, when
Georges Cordova: I was ill, I, I still had this compassion. I was
Georges Cordova: going through regular conventional treatments,
Georges Cordova: radiotherapy, chemotherapy, but I still joined
Georges Cordova: a volunteer programme from the American Cancer Society which
Georges Cordova: was about taking folks that were
Georges Cordova: ill taken to their, their treatments. And, and the way they
Georges Cordova: did this is, you know, I was working, I, I, I, folks
Georges Cordova: in my area that were going through cancer like me.
Georges Cordova: But you know, I just decided to join. I was in one
Georges Cordova: of my remissions. I'll tell you in a second about that. But
Georges Cordova: so I would drive, we would drive patients to their
Georges Cordova: treatments, we would drop them off and then another volunteer will come
Georges Cordova: and pick him up. Sometimes those treatments will take longer
Georges Cordova: so somebody else will pick him up and take him back home.
Georges Cordova: You know, it's interesting, every time you help somebody from your
Georges Cordova: heart, at the end of it you think who helped who?
Georges Cordova: You go home and you say, man, I feel I'm the one. You, you feel
Georges Cordova: so, such a, you feel fulfilled. And in my book I
Georges Cordova: say service to others is healing is one of the
Georges Cordova: things that I experienced. And so that, that was
Georges Cordova: it. So basically because of things in life, our
Georges Cordova: parents though, they had a hard time in Europe, so when they get to, to
Georges Cordova: America, South America, they wanted the best for you. We had
Georges Cordova: to be either doctors, lawyers or engineers of
Georges Cordova: some type. Of some type because in that case you would
Georges Cordova: not suffer if you, there was a, another war or whatever. They had
Georges Cordova: that trauma. So for me it was easy logic and
Georges Cordova: mathematics, you know, natural. So I said, well, I'm going to study
Georges Cordova: engineering. And then I, I had a, you know, I was very
Georges Cordova: attracted to technology and it was starting, you know, I
Georges Cordova: was born in 1960 but you know, in
Georges Cordova: 1975 start, you started to see some things and
Georges Cordova: 1980 started my, to study computer science. And I,
Georges Cordova: I'm blessed because I've seen the transformation of
Georges Cordova: technology. It took in the beginning, it was 50 years for a
Georges Cordova: change. Now in our days is like five months. But getting back to
Georges Cordova: the answer there, it's interesting because when I look back on my,
Georges Cordova: I'm not sure if I mentioned this to you, but on year eight, I
Georges Cordova: fought cancer, advanced cancer, melanoma for 10
Georges Cordova: years and I had 10 surgeries, including four
Georges Cordova: craniotomies because I have metastasis in my brain
Georges Cordova: and two gamma knives and two of my eight
Georges Cordova: tumours. When I had my first Craniotomy, they told me.
Georges Cordova: And again, and here's something very interesting. There's
Georges Cordova: 13 rules of the mind, Joanne, and one of them
Georges Cordova: is that for us in the west, and when
Georges Cordova: I say the west is Europe, us, the mind goes to what is
Georges Cordova: familiar. This is for everyone, but it goes to what is familiar. And in the
Georges Cordova: west, what is familiar is to go running, almost running
Georges Cordova: to an oncologist. There's no other option. You just go to
Georges Cordova: an oncologist, you, you ask for friends and say, hey, do you have, you
Georges Cordova: know anybody that is good? Because cancer hits everybody indirectly
Georges Cordova: or directly here in the U.S. by the way, one or
Georges Cordova: two men, if we don't change our ways, will have cancer in
Georges Cordova: their lifetime and one of three women will have cancer in their
Georges Cordova: lifetime. So we're not a healthy nation. Nation.
Georges Cordova: 48% of the nation, it has one or two chronic diseases.
Georges Cordova: But so anyway, we, we. I'm going through
Georges Cordova: this stuff and I'm still a
Georges Cordova: cto. I was, I became a, an executive in
Georges Cordova: technology, chief technology officer when I got
Georges Cordova: sick. And so I battled the disease for 10 years. I had 10
Georges Cordova: surgeries, four craniotomies. But on year
Georges Cordova: eight, on year eight, and this is why, when you're gonna see
Georges Cordova: now why I say it gave me the chance to sing the song I was
Georges Cordova: going to sing. On year eight, after my first
Georges Cordova: craniotomy, they finally, they say
Georges Cordova: the FDA found a pharma and research
Georges Cordova: found a type of chemo that would penetrate the
Georges Cordova: brain. And so they gave me that in the form of, it was
Georges Cordova: oral, it, it was capsules which by the way,
Georges Cordova: $1,000 for each capsule. It's crazy.
Georges Cordova: By year eight, we had to tap into
Georges Cordova: retirement accounts, we had to tap in into our kids
Georges Cordova: college funds that we were basically saving for. We were
Georges Cordova: doing good. I was a cto. My wife was in the medical
Georges Cordova: industry as a, as an ultrasound tech
Georges Cordova: for, for cardiovascular and
Georges Cordova: obstetrics. So we were doing well. But
Georges Cordova: boy, when, when this stuff hit us. But on year eight, I
Georges Cordova: started taking this pills. It was Monday through
Georges Cordova: Friday and then take a break on the weekend and then Monday to Friday
Georges Cordova: again. On my second Monday, my sixth
Georges Cordova: capsule, I thought I was going to get a heart attack. I just could
Georges Cordova: not. Like I said in my book in the introduction,
Georges Cordova: pharmas almost killed me. I mean, killed me.
Georges Cordova: And so I just had
Georges Cordova: this very fast palpitations. I got dizzy, I started
Georges Cordova: sweating and I was alone. The kids were in school, my wife was
Georges Cordova: working. I had to stop working after 18
Georges Cordova: months. It was tough and so at that moment, Joanne and
Georges Cordova: I decided, you know what? This is, this is not working for me. This, it's
Georges Cordova: just really not working for me. I need to go on a different route.
Georges Cordova: And by that time I was looking, looking into things, you know, that were
Georges Cordova: natural, not chemicals. And because
Georges Cordova: I'm a person of faith as well, I, you know,
Georges Cordova: when my wife got home, I said, look, I'm stopping this. Are you sure? What,
Georges Cordova: what are you doing? Well, no, no, say, look, I know myself. This
Georges Cordova: is not, this is killing me. So I'm not doing any more chemo
Georges Cordova: and radio already. I'm going to go natural. I'm going to go on the
Georges Cordova: holistic journey and holistic health journey to,
Georges Cordova: to, to survive. And this
Georges Cordova: past July 24, it was my 12th year
Georges Cordova: free of cancer. So. But it's, and you know,
Georges Cordova: a lot of many things happened there and, and as I was
Georges Cordova: going through my, my process, I, I
Georges Cordova: stopped, you know, blaming the world of the universe.
Georges Cordova: I mean, it was my fault, you know, you know, we need to understand we,
Georges Cordova: if we handle humble ourselves, it was us, it's us
Georges Cordova: that get us ourselves sick. Our lifestyle, maybe we're
Georges Cordova: too stressful, doing too many things, whatever, whatever
Georges Cordova: it is, but it, it is us. I'm,
Georges Cordova: I'm a nutritionist as well. And you know, I have,
Georges Cordova: you know, basically have to tell you that
Georges Cordova: 25% of nutrition and digestion is what you
Georges Cordova: eat. 75% is who you are when you
Georges Cordova: eating, are you eating in a hurry? Do you chew very few times
Georges Cordova: before you swallow? I mean, there are so many things that we do to get
Georges Cordova: us ourselves sick. Then comes another thing. When you,
Georges Cordova: when you study holistic health, and this is pretty
Georges Cordova: much a fact, these are facts. All chronic diseases,
Georges Cordova: Joanne, all of them, without exception, cancer included,
Georges Cordova: start in an acidic body and inflamed bodies.
Georges Cordova: We have inflamed tissue because we have too much acid in our
Georges Cordova: cells. Dieting, maybe we stress so we produce
Georges Cordova: cortisol. And also, and this is, was found out not
Georges Cordova: too long ago after epigenetics. All disease
Georges Cordova: by the way, is emotional as well. And
Georges Cordova: that's why many people get recurrences because doctors
Georges Cordova: are not nutritionists, they're not psychologists,
Georges Cordova: they're not acupuncturists, they're not Reiki
Georges Cordova: or massage therapists. They just know what they, they change.
Georges Cordova: Go ahead. Yeah, so listen to that. It's
Joanne Lockwood: just contextualising. So you had multiple
Joanne Lockwood: cranial surgery. So that's basically peeling back your skin, taking
Joanne Lockwood: all bits of your skull off. They Actually saw. I
Georges Cordova: don't know if you can see because I have. It's a night. I have
Georges Cordova: scars. Obviously I was lucky because I didn't get many
Georges Cordova: cavities. You know, sometimes when they remove the tumour, then, then
Georges Cordova: you get like a cavity there. My first one was from ear to ear.
Georges Cordova: Here is two, three and in this side
Georges Cordova: four. And the two gamma knives. Two of the eight
Georges Cordova: tumours that I got in my brain were not operable.
Georges Cordova: So that I'm gonna let. Let you guys if.
Georges Cordova: If you have a chance to. To get the book. It. It
Georges Cordova: is very interesting be. You know, I have not promoted
Georges Cordova: my books and it's. I'm writing two more.
Georges Cordova: When I say my books is because I first launched it in English,
Georges Cordova: but then I launched it in Spanish three months later and on St.
Georges Cordova: George's Day in April, this is 2021
Georges Cordova: Spanish in. They both made bestseller in my gender and the
Georges Cordova: first day. And that. That was remarkable. I'm
Georges Cordova: thinking how can this happen? And you, you find out that,
Georges Cordova: you know, there's many people going through this disease.
Georges Cordova: It's becoming really. To give you a perspective during
Georges Cordova: COVID which actually I think took about 5
Georges Cordova: million lives in a year and a
Georges Cordova: half to two years on 20, 21, 10
Georges Cordova: million people pass of cancer. So the
Georges Cordova: real pandemic is this. You know, it's just why. Why
Georges Cordova: does it happen and why does it still
Georges Cordova: recurring, you know, and, and, and the reason is
Georges Cordova: because the doctors are not into finding
Georges Cordova: the root cause. They're just going there to throw the kitchen sink on you
Georges Cordova: like it's. We say in America and try everything they can
Georges Cordova: new new formalities and see how they can help Georges
Georges Cordova: or you know, the different patients. Are you saying
Joanne Lockwood: this. This all stemmed from melanoma, which is skin cancer? That's. It's
Georges Cordova: skin cancer. Yes. And travel from that. Yeah. Yes.
Georges Cordova: By the way, great, great question there. Great point. Because
Georges Cordova: melanoma still is hard to. To really
Georges Cordova: contain. It's very unpredictable and is very
Georges Cordova: aggressive. It's probably.
Georges Cordova: It's right neck to neck with pancreatic cancer.
Georges Cordova: If you know, to give you an example, my last two tumours and I
Georges Cordova: was already on year eight after those capsules, I decided
Georges Cordova: to go natural and I was lucky because basically
Georges Cordova: the moment I surrendered, I went to this chapel and I cried.
Georges Cordova: I cried for. I just. I mean I was releasing
Georges Cordova: so much. You know. Crying is healing, by the way. Cleans your soul and.
Georges Cordova: But I surrender. I say, look, these guys, they're trying, but you
Georges Cordova: know, this is not Working for me. Give me some discernment to look for
Georges Cordova: alternatives. I'm really very close to make this decision.
Georges Cordova: And obviously, I have a surgeon in my family. His wife.
Georges Cordova: They're both my. My daughters got parents. They were.
Georges Cordova: And my wife. No, no, you crazy. Keep going. Like
Georges Cordova: there's no other alternative. But I. Because of my
Georges Cordova: tennis, too, I saw cancer. It got to a point. Point for
Georges Cordova: me that said. I said, you know what? There's a reason
Georges Cordova: why I'm the only one from all my cohorts that started
Georges Cordova: with me, the treatments, that I'm the only one that has survived. I
Georges Cordova: had some survival, like guilt, survival guilt.
Georges Cordova: I'm the only one that survived. There's got to be a reason. And
Georges Cordova: at that moment, I. When I decided to go natural, I said, you know what?
Georges Cordova: This is going to work. And I have to share something with you,
Georges Cordova: Joanne. From my Greek side of the family,
Georges Cordova: I saw cancer taking the life of my grandparents,
Georges Cordova: his brother, and that was four or five years old. Then my
Georges Cordova: grandmother's two sisters of three. She had three
Georges Cordova: sisters. Two of them passed from cancer. Then my
Georges Cordova: godfather, also part of the Greek family that went to
Georges Cordova: Venezuela, passed with cancer. Then my uncle, my mother's
Georges Cordova: brother. And three weeks before I was diagnosed, my
Georges Cordova: mother passed of cancer. So for me,
Georges Cordova: as a kid, I remember this. The secret, the
Georges Cordova: power of the. You know, not like hearing something and you might
Georges Cordova: actually end up getting it. I was not surprised when I was
Georges Cordova: diagnosed, I couldn't even mould my mother. But I said, because
Georges Cordova: I always thought, man, I'm doomed. And I never saw
Georges Cordova: anyone. And here's part of the title of the talk of what
Georges Cordova: we're doing today. I said at one point, when I went through all the
Georges Cordova: emotional roller coaster, I said, you know what? I'm going to beat
Georges Cordova: the odds. I'm going to be the first person from my Greek family
Georges Cordova: that survives this thing. And I went on my journey,
Georges Cordova: and I. It came to a point that I said, man, this is
Georges Cordova: not happening to me. It's happening for me. There's
Georges Cordova: something going on here. I loved. I love technology,
Georges Cordova: but my inner self, without knowing this,
Georges Cordova: I mean that I always felt it. If I could help somebody open a
Georges Cordova: door, an elderly person opening the door in the. In the
Georges Cordova: gas station or at a supermarket or a store, I
Georges Cordova: would do it. So. So I made that decision,
Georges Cordova: and I went to my oncologist again.
Georges Cordova: I thought he was going to, you know, give me hard time. And he goes,
Georges Cordova: are you sure, Georges, that you want to stop? And I said, doctor, look
Georges Cordova: it's been almost eight years and I'm, I'm
Georges Cordova: here, you know, surgery, treatment, remission,
Georges Cordova: recurrence. Surgery, treatment, remission, recurrence, eight
Georges Cordova: years and the last one now in the brain. So I'm
Georges Cordova: going natural. And so he asked me again, I said, yes doctor,
Georges Cordova: but I would appreciate if you could continue to do follow ups on
Georges Cordova: me. And he agreed. He said, okay, Georges, and if
Georges Cordova: what you're doing is not working, something else came up approved
Georges Cordova: by the fda and then maybe that would help you
Georges Cordova: because all they're doing is applying the stuff that
Georges Cordova: they find. You must have felt a lot of back pressure from the
Joanne Lockwood: medical professionals because medical science
Joanne Lockwood: says holistic non medical intervention
Joanne Lockwood: is just a myth, is mumbo jumbo.
Joanne Lockwood: You're signing your own death warrant. Medical science is proved to
Joanne Lockwood: work. Everything you're doing, you're just effectively
Joanne Lockwood: praying and hoping and miracles don't
Joanne Lockwood: occur. So you must have felt a lot of pressure from your family, from your
Joanne Lockwood: friends. Yes, absolutely. Almost like you're giving up. Yes, a
Georges Cordova: few friends, a real good ones. And even one of
Georges Cordova: my best friends, my brother, he played doubles with me since we were
Georges Cordova: little and we, you know, we went to different countries and played tournaments.
Georges Cordova: But his wife was into holistic stuff since she was
Georges Cordova: 18. She was, you know, they say whatever you do, George,
Georges Cordova: we, you know, we support you. And my
Georges Cordova: kids were little so they, they had no, no say there.
Georges Cordova: Poor things. Say, they actually grew up fearing that that will go like
Georges Cordova: their grandma, you know, and they just, they had to live.
Georges Cordova: I, you know, I, I feel so bad. I went, I
Georges Cordova: already, you know, had a, that go.
Georges Cordova: But for a while I was feeling guilty that I couldn't do many of
Georges Cordova: the things that I was doing, you know, when, when I wasn't
Georges Cordova: sick. But yeah, it was, it was tough. I had to do it
Georges Cordova: against the mindset of many folks that,
Georges Cordova: you know, believe that the only option is treatments,
Georges Cordova: conventional treatments. Now I'm not against the medical world.
Georges Cordova: If it wasn't for these 10 surgeries and four of them being
Georges Cordova: craniotomies, I would not be talking to you, Joanne. So
Georges Cordova: I mean, my son, we have twin
Georges Cordova: bro sons and those twins are the ones that made us
Georges Cordova: grandparents. One of them, I had to fly an
Georges Cordova: emergency flight to Miami in July. He had
Georges Cordova: that, an infection in his blood, mrsa. And
Georges Cordova: he, he almost, we almost lost him. He has three little
Georges Cordova: kids, three toddlers and four,
Georges Cordova: four, six, eight, six, six and five.
Georges Cordova: This, you know, the one that's turning five now. But
Georges Cordova: yeah, and now when you see the, the, the
Georges Cordova: credits in my book. One of the doctors says that, you
Georges Cordova: know, which, which he, he really, really
Georges Cordova: advocated for me to not stop. He says,
Georges Cordova: you know, George has proved us wrong, you know, that
Georges Cordova: there are other alternatives. And now I've been doing this for
Georges Cordova: seven and a half years, Joanne, and I've
Georges Cordova: met some, what they call themselves now holistic
Georges Cordova: MDs. They're doctors that got sick with cancer
Georges Cordova: and realised and year three or four, this is not
Georges Cordova: working for me, let me see what, what's out there. And they end
Georges Cordova: up, you know, going parallel and then little by little
Georges Cordova: just moving into more of a, of the alternative, which
Georges Cordova: is a combination of things. You know, it's not
Georges Cordova: just what you eat and your lifestyle. Holistic health
Georges Cordova: is really a combination of your physical body, your
Georges Cordova: emotional body, your mental body and your spiritual
Georges Cordova: body, which is not really has to be religion, like a
Georges Cordova: formalised religion. It's your connection. You're embracing
Georges Cordova: the universe, I call it God through nature. You and I are
Georges Cordova: connected, Joanne. I mean soul wise and learning to do
Georges Cordova: that. One of the things I, I, I use a metaphor. It's called the
Georges Cordova: four legs of the table. One of the legs is your physical self,
Georges Cordova: the other one is your emotional self, your mental self and your spiritual
Georges Cordova: self. If one of those or two of them are missing, the table can't
Georges Cordova: stand. And that's really the holistic approach. And you
Georges Cordova: know, once I surrender because this is something that all the
Georges Cordova: avatars say, not only the service and love, but
Georges Cordova: it's really being humble. Humble yourself. He who
Georges Cordova: humble himself gets in a way stronger. He who is
Georges Cordova: always up here one day will really drop down. And
Georges Cordova: so when I humble myself and surrender and I say God is up to
Georges Cordova: you, I like to see my, we're, we're Catholics and so I
Georges Cordova: like to see my daughter first communion, my kids finishing high
Georges Cordova: school, you know, and being a better husband, a better
Georges Cordova: Christian, you know, better friend and, and things started to
Georges Cordova: happen when it, you know, when you put your faith, which
Georges Cordova: by the way, faith is nothing more than the certainty of
Georges Cordova: what you want because you know there's something bigger than you that if
Georges Cordova: you take action it would help you. It's not a
Georges Cordova: magic one or like some folks say now is a
Georges Cordova: perfect example. Everybody has a New Year's resolution and
Georges Cordova: stuff and that's the intention. But an intention without action
Georges Cordova: becomes an illusion. So I took action. It sounds
Joanne Lockwood: that what you're saying here is it's mindset,
Joanne Lockwood: you have to believe in yourself, believe in what you're talking
Joanne Lockwood: about. And what you're doing, but also it's also radically
Joanne Lockwood: changing your relationship with your environment, your food, your
Joanne Lockwood: things around you. Because as a human species we obviously we
Joanne Lockwood: didn't evolve to live in society we are in today to eat the food, to
Joanne Lockwood: breathe the air, interact the way we do. We were
Joanne Lockwood: village dwellers in forests and caves and by the
Joanne Lockwood: waterside, living a very holistic, very clean
Joanne Lockwood: life. And we've polluted ourselves with sugars and additives and everything else.
Joanne Lockwood: So we're trying to get back, what you're saying is, trying to get back to
Joanne Lockwood: that simplified intake purity if you
Joanne Lockwood: like, not, not today's sludge fat and
Joanne Lockwood: sugars and all these other chemicals. So that's, that's
Joanne Lockwood: quite difficult to achieve in society today. Everywhere you
Joanne Lockwood: look, right, fast food and bad food and bad,
Joanne Lockwood: bad air, bad. Water everywhere isn't there and going
Georges Cordova: that's amazing. Yes, that's one aspect and, and then the
Georges Cordova: other thing is that it's a fast paced world,
Georges Cordova: we don't take time for ourselves and that is a key
Georges Cordova: situation we could have another episode about.
Georges Cordova: I like to usually explain the human cycle. The
Georges Cordova: sun is 365 days or 66 depending on the
Georges Cordova: year. The moon is 28 days. We have 24 hour
Georges Cordova: cycle and some things need to happen there. And guess
Georges Cordova: what? 99% of us don't honour this
Georges Cordova: particular cycle. We do need to eight hours, six to
Georges Cordova: eight hours of those 24 hours to detox
Georges Cordova: and restore, which is when we sleep. But many
Georges Cordova: people don't eat well during the day and then an
Georges Cordova: hour or so before they go to bed they eat this huge
Georges Cordova: meal. So what happens? I'm just giving an example of
Georges Cordova: how we actually cause these diseases upon us. We bring
Georges Cordova: them, we are the ones that get ourselves sick. But the
Georges Cordova: good news is that we also are the ones that can get us ourselves
Georges Cordova: back to healing. And that's where the mind comes in.
Georges Cordova: The power of the mind and subconscious mind.
Georges Cordova: However, you know what you were
Georges Cordova: saying, like I said, 25% is what you eat,
Georges Cordova: 75% is who you are when you're eating. If you're stressed out,
Georges Cordova: you're producing cortisol and you're one
Georges Cordova: of the branches of your, of your
Georges Cordova: nervous system, the sympathetic
Georges Cordova: branch of the nervous system. Fight or flight. It says,
Georges Cordova: oh you know what, Joanne is stressed. We're not going to have a good
Georges Cordova: digestion and so what
Georges Cordova: happens because of the cortisol and the stress, the vagus nerve
Georges Cordova: tells the gut, hey, you know, Joanne is stressed out.
Georges Cordova: So we'll See what you're going to do. Stomach, the stomach, instead
Georges Cordova: of going through the process, the beautiful process of digestion
Georges Cordova: stores everything to fat because it's not,
Georges Cordova: it's. It already received a nervous system
Georges Cordova: message that says, you know what? This digestion can
Georges Cordova: go. This is the example that I got from a
Georges Cordova: naturopath. That's the first person I went to visit because
Georges Cordova: an angel, I started calling this angels in human form
Georges Cordova: coming to me when I made a decision to go natural and she told
Georges Cordova: me, go see this naturopath. He helped my sister
Georges Cordova: basically rid of hepatitis. So I
Georges Cordova: went and he explained me a lot of stuff, which by the way,
Georges Cordova: later on I'm going to tell you that I have a giveaway for your audience
Georges Cordova: and for you, which is very powerful there, there's some good stuff
Georges Cordova: in there that if you use it'll get you on the way for
Georges Cordova: health. You don't have to be ill. If you are ill,
Georges Cordova: you can manage your way back to hell. And the reason
Georges Cordova: for that, that I found out, and here's two things
Georges Cordova: that are very important. Healing, Joanne, happens
Georges Cordova: from the inside out, not from the outside in. This is
Georges Cordova: if you go to the east and, and, and, and in many other
Georges Cordova: cultures, they understand this. We have such wisdom
Georges Cordova: in our subconscious mind. That's why it interested me and I became
Georges Cordova: a hypnotherapist. It is amazing how
Georges Cordova: emotional emotions have a big role in
Georges Cordova: us getting sick. So in my book, I, I,
Georges Cordova: you know, you gotta get recurrences, my friends.
Georges Cordova: You're gonna get recurrences unless until you find the root
Georges Cordova: cause of what made you sick. And usually
Georges Cordova: most of the time, I would say almost bluntly, a hundred percent
Georges Cordova: of the time is emotional. So I was reading
Georges Cordova: about this and I, one of my employees gave me a book
Georges Cordova: on emotional intelligence. And in there they were
Georges Cordova: talking about the whole topic of forgiveness. So I started to
Georges Cordova: look for avatars past, you know, and,
Georges Cordova: and you know, even the llama, things like that
Georges Cordova: on forgiveness. So I, because I was
Georges Cordova: humble, I looked for people that hurt me. When I was younger
Georges Cordova: and one passed away, I had to do surrogate work. But I, the
Georges Cordova: other ones, I basically went and said, you know, hey,
Georges Cordova: you know, I forgive you. Guess what, Joanne? None of them
Georges Cordova: remember that they hurt me.
Georges Cordova: I kept holding all this poison in in
Georges Cordova: me for decades. But I was, when I did
Georges Cordova: that though, I felt like a piano went off my
Georges Cordova: shoulders. And then I worked on being forgiven,
Georges Cordova: approached some people that I hurt, particularly some girls
Georges Cordova: in high school, not hurt, but it's just Like I did, I was. I
Georges Cordova: was, you know, immature, you know, but I went to
Georges Cordova: say I'm sorry. And only one, one lady
Georges Cordova: I remember, the other ones didn't either. But still, that helped me
Georges Cordova: release some of this stuff that I had in me. And
Georges Cordova: then the toughest one was forgiving myself. But
Georges Cordova: I worked on that. If you humble yourself and understand that we're.
Georges Cordova: Like you said earlier, we're humans, we make
Georges Cordova: mistakes, which is part of us, but if
Georges Cordova: we deal with those, because, you know, those memories and
Georges Cordova: those beliefs also produce cortisol.
Georges Cordova: So there's two ways that we get all this acidity in our
Georges Cordova: bodies. The cortisol from emotional clutter that we
Georges Cordova: have and the cortisol that we produce even when we
Georges Cordova: eating, because we're in a hurry, we need to do some
Georges Cordova: errands. So fast food here and then we chew very
Georges Cordova: little. We chew six to 10 times, especially
Georges Cordova: here in America, in the US, the average American
Georges Cordova: chew six times before they swallow. When in
Georges Cordova: reality, I can tell you as a, as a nutritionist, I specialise
Georges Cordova: in the digestive tract. We should be chewing between
Georges Cordova: 20 and 32 times, depending on what we put in our mouth,
Georges Cordova: because digestion starts in the mouth. The
Georges Cordova: saliva enzymes process the food. Yeah,
Joanne Lockwood: I'm really being enlightened by what you're saying. Can I
Joanne Lockwood: just take you back to that period seven or eight years ago, when you were
Joanne Lockwood: in the middle of this? So you were, you were CTO company, so you're
Joanne Lockwood: involved in tech, advising them, and you've also got a
Joanne Lockwood: family and you've been diagnosed,
Joanne Lockwood: as you'll say, in the US healthcare system. It wasn't that you
Joanne Lockwood: had to invest in your treatment, you know, these thousand dollars a day
Joanne Lockwood: pills or whatever that cost. How did your family
Joanne Lockwood: cope at that time with
Joanne Lockwood: your condition? How, how do. How
Georges Cordova: was work? Were you. Were you accommodated with. By your
Joanne Lockwood: employer? Was it quite tricky to try and keep everything going?
Georges Cordova: Yes. Great question, by the way, Joanne. Yes, it was. It
Georges Cordova: was not fun. It was. It was. First of all, a lot of people
Georges Cordova: forget about the caregiver. Everybody is, oh, how.
Georges Cordova: How's George's? Naomi, How's George's house? George's. And they would
Georges Cordova: not ask her. You know, like, we had five kids and that was a
Georges Cordova: six kid after 18 months, you know, I couldn't really take all
Georges Cordova: those treatments and I was, you know, working. I
Georges Cordova: managed to do some work from home, but being a cto, and
Georges Cordova: I remember perfectly, I was at the pool and I was scratching,
Georges Cordova: I had long hair. I used to Be in the sun all my life in
Georges Cordova: the Caribbean. Surfing,
Georges Cordova: snorkelling, water skiing, playing tennis,
Georges Cordova: soccer. I love soccer. So I got, you know,
Georges Cordova: I thought it was just a lot of accumulation
Georges Cordova: of UV through the years, but it really did
Georges Cordova: not, you know, come up. And I had no
Georges Cordova: idea until I saw my mother suffering her last six
Georges Cordova: months of life. So I was very
Georges Cordova: emotional, very close to my mother. I was living in Miami. I
Georges Cordova: would fly to Caracas, Venezuela, every weekend to see
Georges Cordova: her. And then when, when it got to a point that my
Georges Cordova: kids could go, we went. And, you know, they stayed there three
Georges Cordova: weeks at the house with my mother. My wife went,
Georges Cordova: took some time off, so. But I was
Georges Cordova: at the office, I was at the pool. I was scratching. I thought it
Georges Cordova: was a pinball. And I got some blood. So I called
Georges Cordova: my wife. I was at the pool at the house with the kids.
Georges Cordova: And she came and saw it and she didn't like it. She goes, your chest
Georges Cordova: doesn't look good. It was a Sunday. I'm going to call the kids
Georges Cordova: dermatologist tomorrow to see if you can go. He can see you.
Georges Cordova: So that's how the whole thing started. And
Georges Cordova: so she called on Monday. They said, look, we have no, no,
Georges Cordova: no place until a month from now. And she goes, look,
Georges Cordova: this is probably melanoma. She said, I know it. I mean, I'm.
Georges Cordova: I'm a. I'm in the medical world. I work with Baptist
Georges Cordova: Hospital. So Lise, he asked the, The. The
Georges Cordova: assistant there if some. If somebody cancels,
Georges Cordova: let me know. Well, that afternoon, Joanne,
Georges Cordova: she got a call from. From this lady and said, look, we have
Georges Cordova: a. We have an opening Wednesday morning. We
Georges Cordova: going. So we went on Thursday morning. Well, when, When
Georges Cordova: I was there, she had some resident students, and when she saw my
Georges Cordova: lesion, she. I mean, what I had on my sculpt right here,
Georges Cordova: you may see across. Because there was a. Then they had to do a little
Georges Cordova: craniotomy there, too, because he reoccurred there. But
Georges Cordova: so she. She started talking to them about, look, you see how it's
Georges Cordova: irregular and this and that? And it's ulcerated. That's why
Georges Cordova: it's. You know, so that could mean that, you know, it kind of gone
Georges Cordova: into his lymphatic system. So I thought, oh,
Georges Cordova: boy, this just doesn't sound right. But on Thursday morning, I'm up in my
Georges Cordova: office and my secretary said, Mr.
Georges Cordova: Cordoba, Dr. Trousers is on the phone and she says,
Georges Cordova: it's, you know, urgent. And I go, oh, my
Georges Cordova: God. If you. Nobody, nobody wants to
Georges Cordova: hear the Word that you know, you're diagnosed with cancer. All I
Georges Cordova: could think is about my five kids and that this doesn't
Georges Cordova: make sense, man. You blessed maybe five beautiful kids and now
Georges Cordova: I'm getting this stuff. My mother just passed three weeks
Georges Cordova: ago from cancer. And I thought the Greek, the
Georges Cordova: great landscape, you know, of cancer. And
Georges Cordova: so it was really. I was frozen when she
Georges Cordova: told me, Mr. Cordova, you have malignant melanoma. It's
Georges Cordova: ulcerated. You need to go get a biopsy right away.
Georges Cordova: Oh my gosh. Everything changed.
Georges Cordova: I was going, if we in the average think
Georges Cordova: 60,000 thoughts a day. Well, that morning I was
Georges Cordova: probably close to 300,000. It was just like all
Georges Cordova: over. And so, you
Georges Cordova: know, so I started thinking first my kids, my wife,
Georges Cordova: obviously. But I'm thinking, what am I going to do here? I
Georges Cordova: had no idea how much it was going to influence my
Georges Cordova: career as a, as a leader. We were serving
Georges Cordova: some big brick and mortar companies. Royal Caribbean
Georges Cordova: Cruises, Celebrity Cruises, Ryder System, Del
Georges Cordova: Monte. And they were my accounts. And so I'm
Georges Cordova: thinking my account in terms of technology, obviously
Georges Cordova: the companies. But it came to a point
Georges Cordova: I really tried. I tried almost like I said, 18 months going
Georges Cordova: through already a couple surgeries. But it was already hurting
Georges Cordova: me. Not only me, but my team.
Georges Cordova: My team started seeing that I would. I could not come because
Georges Cordova: I had a surgery or then recruit recuperating or
Georges Cordova: another biopsy or doctor visits. You have a
Georges Cordova: new routine in your life that. So all of a sudden it was thrown to
Georges Cordova: you. So it was tough. I could not coach my kids
Georges Cordova: in soccer. I was a soccer coach. I. I taught him how to play
Georges Cordova: tennis. We would go camping, to the beach, vacation. All
Georges Cordova: this stuff had to stop because it was very aggressive.
Georges Cordova: For me, when it was, when the time happened here I was already. It
Georges Cordova: was stage three. So. But you know,
Georges Cordova: if you look at me, the first surgery was up here.
Georges Cordova: And then later on it became also one of the
Georges Cordova: craniotomies because in a way it wasn't because they didn't have
Georges Cordova: to like saw my skull. But
Georges Cordova: I did have some biopsy because I was having this like
Georges Cordova: a heart limb doted my left, my right ear. It came
Georges Cordova: positive. So they decided to do to extract
Georges Cordova: 23 lymph nodes from my right side.
Georges Cordova: But they couldn't get to three of them on those 23. So they
Georges Cordova: sacrifice a muscle.
Georges Cordova: We are amazing our human body. The other muscle for it
Georges Cordova: took a few years, but it kind of compensates. But if you see me without,
Georges Cordova: without. The listeners, basically it's in your neck, going down.
Joanne Lockwood: So from your ear down through to. Your shoulder, down through my
Georges Cordova: shoulder, 23 litres. But those three, if
Georges Cordova: they didn't sacrifice the muscle, they couldn't get. And Those were,
Georges Cordova: those three were positive. The other 20 were negative.
Georges Cordova: Four months later I was already in treatment. I had
Georges Cordova: the same situation on my left ear and it
Georges Cordova: was positive. So they took 22 lymph nodes from there.
Georges Cordova: That was one, two, that was my fourth surgery.
Georges Cordova: And then the whole loop again. Surgery,
Georges Cordova: treatment, remission, recurrence. So I have
Georges Cordova: nothing against surgery, especially the new things that they're doing
Georges Cordova: with robots and stuff. I didn't get that. But my,
Georges Cordova: especially for me, all of them, because my surgeon
Georges Cordova: oncologist worked on anything that was my head and the
Georges Cordova: neurologist worked, you know, my four
Georges Cordova: craniotomies and two gamma knives, which are those, are they
Georges Cordova: consider surgeries as well. I don't count them. If I, that was, that
Georges Cordova: it was 12 surgeries but,
Georges Cordova: but I stopped doing treatments on, on
Georges Cordova: the eighth year pretty much. And when I
Georges Cordova: start get still some recurrences, like I said, I fought it
Georges Cordova: for 10 years. You know, I, I, I could hear
Georges Cordova: or feel the energy of my family and risk
Georges Cordova: and relatives kind of like, hey man, go back to,
Georges Cordova: go back to this stuff. But I did and I stayed strong. I knew
Georges Cordova: that the other stuff was killing me. So, so here I
Georges Cordova: am, 12 years later, I'm cancer free. I mean, listen to that.
Joanne Lockwood: The amount of surgery you had, how invasive those surgeries
Joanne Lockwood: were, are you aware of. Because doing
Joanne Lockwood: operations on the brain that can affect motor
Joanne Lockwood: functions, cognitive ability, speech, hearing, everything like this. Are
Joanne Lockwood: you aware that you've become impaired or lost
Joanne Lockwood: function due to the surgery or have you pretty much escaped that? That's
Georges Cordova: why you're asking some great questions, Joanne. Yes. For each of the
Georges Cordova: craniotomists, particularly the other ones, that would tell me
Georges Cordova: what could go wrong. It's part of their protocol. They have to tell you,
Georges Cordova: but with the craniotomists, every single one, they say that
Georges Cordova: I could end up with a cavity. I could have some
Georges Cordova: cognitive issues. My speech, which by the way, my
Georges Cordova: first craniotomy I had right here in the front lobe, it
Georges Cordova: came like this. I went to do a scan and it wasn't
Georges Cordova: there. Three months later, I had almost like a small like key
Georges Cordova: line. I had a tumour right here that was affecting
Georges Cordova: my vision and my speech. I was prefrontal cortex, isn't it that that's
Joanne Lockwood: where your creative thinking is, that's where lobotomies happen. So that's
Joanne Lockwood: really a part of your core you, isn't it? That's how my wife
Georges Cordova: realises something was wrong on the kids as a daddy.
Georges Cordova: Stuttering. And not only that, I had a client
Georges Cordova: that did not know in Miami. A lot of people
Georges Cordova: speak Spanish too, but because it's my. I guess it's
Georges Cordova: my native language, my first language. Not only was I
Georges Cordova: stuttering, but I was stuttering in Spanish. My wife realised that
Georges Cordova: I was coming in to the house and I was talking with
Georges Cordova: this client that she knew. Sometimes we would eat some
Georges Cordova: cocktails and stuff at the office. And his name was Don, Don
Georges Cordova: Smith. And I was talking to him in Spanish. Okay, Don. And my wife is
Georges Cordova: saying, what is this Smith? And he's talking in Spanish and
Georges Cordova: stuttering a little bit. So that's what kind of like brought everything up.
Georges Cordova: And then one day at the office, going up the elevator, we
Georges Cordova: climb with two clients of the same company, two guys
Georges Cordova: from the same company, we went to lunch and going up the elevator,
Georges Cordova: I lost my vision momentarily
Georges Cordova: and I just, you know, I held to one of them. I freaked out.
Georges Cordova: I. I really thought, oh, my God, what's going on?
Georges Cordova: So that at that point I said, look, I call my
Georges Cordova: wife. We went upstairs, they set me down, I called my
Georges Cordova: wife and then she called over there to the clients and
Georges Cordova: said, take his keys out, don't let them dry. I'm going to take
Georges Cordova: the Metro rail. And so I'm going to pick them
Georges Cordova: up from there. She took me to the hospital and that was
Georges Cordova: it. They. They did an MRI and they show the tumour. So
Georges Cordova: you staying home here? We're going to have to do some surgery.
Georges Cordova: And so. Yeah, but
Georges Cordova: it was. It was a trauma. When I first heard
Georges Cordova: of this, I was thinking of the kids, what was going to happen to them.
Georges Cordova: And financially, I mean, it got to a point that I had to give.
Georges Cordova: I first asked for a leave of options, but in this type of
Georges Cordova: environment where you have to really, you know, come
Georges Cordova: up and finish your projects, usually on
Georges Cordova: budget, you know, we were putting all the Internet cafes for these
Georges Cordova: ships and I was managing that, you know, doing some proxy
Georges Cordova: satellite stuff. And then. So. So at the end of the day, I
Georges Cordova: had to say, look, I'm going to find a replacement. They gave
Georges Cordova: me six months and. And it was tough even then because,
Georges Cordova: you know, I like what I was doing, but I had to work on, you
Georges Cordova: know, focus on my. Even with the kids, taking them to sports,
Georges Cordova: I. I just had to worry about surviving, you know, I
Georges Cordova: mean, taking care of myself. Yeah. Seven, eight years
Joanne Lockwood: on from your, Your all pair, for one of a better way of
Joanne Lockwood: describing it, you're still playing tennis, you're still doing your 10k runs,
Joanne Lockwood: your fitness, athletics. Yeah. Living your best
Joanne Lockwood: life. Living my best life. And like I said, you
Georges Cordova: know, I look back and I. I see my survival experience as a
Georges Cordova: blessing because God gave me the chance to sing the
Georges Cordova: song I was born to sing. And one thing I have to share with you,
Georges Cordova: Joanne, is I asked my clients, which, by the
Georges Cordova: way, only three in almost 88 years that I'm
Georges Cordova: doing this, I. I transition from being a cto. That's another thing.
Georges Cordova: Everybody, you're crazy. You're comfortable. I wasn't, you
Georges Cordova: know, really a CTO anymore because I had given
Georges Cordova: my position, but I could. I knew that I could get back into
Georges Cordova: that. But it was interesting because
Georges Cordova: when I was making that transition, everybody also, again, no,
Georges Cordova: you're crazy. You're going to start again at 57. You're going
Georges Cordova: to start again at 57 people, retire, 65,
Georges Cordova: retiring at 65. What do I do at the resume? But
Georges Cordova: I made that decision and I went and I got
Georges Cordova: all my acolytes to provide the best value to my clients. But
Georges Cordova: I want to share this. In this eight years, only three
Georges Cordova: people, one from London, by the way, decided to
Georges Cordova: go completely natural right off the bat. The other
Georges Cordova: ones, they have that strong rule of the mind that they
Georges Cordova: think, you know, hey, I got to continue to be in this route.
Georges Cordova: I say, okay, I'm not gonna advocate for you to do it, but you're gonna
Georges Cordova: notice that by going through my protocol, through the
Georges Cordova: holistic journey, you're gonna feel better, you're gonna have
Georges Cordova: less side effects, and you're gonna heal. You're gonna
Georges Cordova: start. Your process of healing is gonna accelerate. And when
Georges Cordova: they realise that a couple towards the 90 days,
Georges Cordova: you know, my protocol is nine, three months
Georges Cordova: pure, working on the four legs of the table, physical, emotional,
Georges Cordova: mental and spiritual. And. But in many cases, they want
Georges Cordova: to continue because they found somebody that has the
Georges Cordova: method and that holds them accountable with the
Georges Cordova: support. And now that they're seeing the difference,
Georges Cordova: they're going, can we go? Can we keep going? And we usually go.
Georges Cordova: Then instead of weekly, we go once every two weeks
Georges Cordova: and then ultimately once a month until they feel okay. It
Georges Cordova: takes almost like a year. And. And they say, man, I'm. I'm free
Georges Cordova: of cancer. What? This is great. So it's
Georges Cordova: interesting because when you're doing something that you
Georges Cordova: love and I imagine you're part of You're. You're an example.
Georges Cordova: It's not. It's not a job, man. You're doing. You're doing something.
Georges Cordova: You have a powerful tool right there. What, what you do with
Georges Cordova: podcasting and you. And you understand. So
Georges Cordova: really, I ask my clients sometimes, are you going to be the same person
Georges Cordova: when. When you back healthy? And they
Georges Cordova: say, no, no way. I don't know. I don't. I say, look,
Georges Cordova: usually it goes around, you know, it's. It's
Georges Cordova: aligned with your talents. But, you know, when you go
Georges Cordova: to hospice, which we do sometimes as. As we
Georges Cordova: did for a while as volunteers, my wife and I, the common
Georges Cordova: denominator there of everybody tell. Tells you, man, if I
Georges Cordova: had time, I would do the really love to
Georges Cordova: do. And why we don't do it when we're okay. We are
Georges Cordova: not good stewards of our time. We are the ones that got
Georges Cordova: us sick. You know, our lifestyle, like you said earlier, it's.
Georges Cordova: It's all in a hurry. And, you know, hurry here, hurry there. You have
Georges Cordova: a discussion or some sort of an argument with somebody on the
Georges Cordova: street, or you're in traffic and you stressed out, and then you go, eat
Georges Cordova: fast, boy, you're Ukraine. And you do
Georges Cordova: that day after day. Two meals a day.
Georges Cordova: Sooner or later the body says, here's a medical
Georges Cordova: bill, whatever disease, you know, because we. Producing
Georges Cordova: acidity. So I have a massive stuff that
Georges Cordova: I have for you guys. I have a link that has
Georges Cordova: so many things for. For you, Joanne, for you and your audience.
Georges Cordova: One of them is to me is the
Georges Cordova: mo. Well, there's very important things in there. We talk about our
Georges Cordova: emotions. I give you a little bit of each leg of the table.
Georges Cordova: Okay. But I have to share this if we have a few
Georges Cordova: minutes. When I went to see this naturopath,
Georges Cordova: he had this scan that he got either from Germany or Sweden.
Georges Cordova: It was not approved by the fda. He had it. This is in Palm Beach,
Georges Cordova: Florida. Gabby, my. My
Georges Cordova: best friend's wife told me, go to him. And I went. I
Georges Cordova: opened myself, which is important to learning how to
Georges Cordova: receive. It's very hard for us to receive. It's easier to give. We
Georges Cordova: could talk about it in a different moment, but this
Georges Cordova: guy says, let's do this scan. And which was.
Georges Cordova: He put some wires in my. In my. In my head, in
Georges Cordova: my hands, in my feet and in my heart.
Georges Cordova: And then he started the scan and
Georges Cordova: he had the screen and you could see yourself inside.
Georges Cordova: And Joanne, my body was like the Fourth of July
Georges Cordova: fireworks. There was so much acidity, obviously, from
Georges Cordova: the Chemotherapy, that's, you know. And he says,
Georges Cordova: boy, you line up all over the place. And
Georges Cordova: that's because of the chemo. So he talked to me about
Georges Cordova: the PH balance and take note because this is,
Georges Cordova: this is key. He says, look, disease
Georges Cordova: cannot grow on a balanced PH body. And if you
Georges Cordova: have it, what you're doing by balancing your
Georges Cordova: PH and not being acidic is that you're destroying the environment
Georges Cordova: for of the disease, for the disease to grow.
Georges Cordova: So it is key to have a PH balance. And
Georges Cordova: he said, look, imagine you have a pool. You said, yeah, yeah.
Georges Cordova: If you put too much chlorine in the pool, it becomes too acidic.
Georges Cordova: It's, it's just dangerous to jump in there for your skin, your eyes,
Georges Cordova: if you swallow some of it, your hair, on the other hand, if
Georges Cordova: you don't put enough chlorine in your pool, it turns, the water turns green,
Georges Cordova: which is also not healthy. There's bacteria
Georges Cordova: there that if you swallow some of that water, it could
Georges Cordova: actually damage your red blood cells. So
Georges Cordova: he's telling me this and I'm thinking why I'm making the
Georges Cordova: right decision to go natural. So the first thing he did was
Georges Cordova: he took me on a 25, 21 day detox.
Georges Cordova: He called it bad body reset, which was
Georges Cordova: all about reducing the acidity in my body. So
Georges Cordova: after 21 days we did another scan
Georges Cordova: and it was like nine a day. There were a
Georges Cordova: few, a few areas, but very little compared to the
Georges Cordova: 23 weeks before. So we did another 21 days
Georges Cordova: and when I come back from that, first of all,
Georges Cordova: people would see me and say, man, you look great.
Georges Cordova: George, what's going on? I said, look,
Georges Cordova: I feel great. How are you feeling? So they
Georges Cordova: could not understand a guy with so many surgeries and all this,
Georges Cordova: this stuff being so positive, which, which is also
Georges Cordova: an amazing part of the mental leg of the table. It's,
Georges Cordova: it's own mindset. It's, it's amazing. Yeah, it's
Joanne Lockwood: been absolutely insightful. Fascinating to hear
Joanne Lockwood: your story, to hear about your mindset, your ethos around
Joanne Lockwood: your own journey and how you're helping others. How can people get hold of you?
Joanne Lockwood: So if you've got a website, LinkedIn, tell us about your bit about your book.
Georges Cordova: Yes, the website, I'm changing the name, but
Georges Cordova: still is Qualivita, which in Latin is.
Georges Cordova: It means quality of life. And I'll give you all the
Georges Cordova: links and you know, I do have obviously a
Georges Cordova: social following in LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook
Georges Cordova: and quite a bit in YouTube as well. You
Georges Cordova: know, you'll have the link to my YouTube channel. I have some great
Georges Cordova: stuff. It's in the show notes for the listeners to, to click on and follow
Joanne Lockwood: you. Yeah, absolutely. And the most important one Joanne, is, is
Georges Cordova: the, the giveaway. It has a lot of value in
Georges Cordova: there. It has the, the ebook I wrote on the balanced ph and your
Georges Cordova: health has some recipes. It also, also sharing a, a
Georges Cordova: table there, I call it the alkaline table that
Georges Cordova: describes which foods are acidic and which foods are
Georges Cordova: alkaline. And I don't believe in extremes like
Georges Cordova: okay veganism or paleo or keto as
Georges Cordova: a. You have to just have some good proteins,
Georges Cordova: good fats and good carbs and
Georges Cordova: learn how to create balanced ph plates.
Georges Cordova: So if you're having red meat instead of eating it with other stuff that
Georges Cordova: is acidic, have it with salad, have it with greens, with
Georges Cordova: veggies which are alkaline and then there you go, you're
Georges Cordova: not, you're not really you, you, you having an alkaline
Georges Cordova: plate, that's one thing. Then I have two
Georges Cordova: recorded meditations on forgiveness. One for men, one for
Georges Cordova: women. There's. They're there. I have some
Georges Cordova: information about how to water tips. You know, we
Georges Cordova: need to drink water, we need to hydrate, how to sleep as well.
Georges Cordova: And like I tell you before we started, there is an
Georges Cordova: interesting conversation about us honouring our
Georges Cordova: 24 hour cycle. Human cycle, but that's in
Georges Cordova: there. Fantastic. Yeah, brilliant. I'll put links to all of that. The rules of
Georges Cordova: the mind, you'll see. Yeah, I'll put links to all of that on the
Joanne Lockwood: show notes so that everybody who's no doubt
Joanne Lockwood: fascinated by your, your story, your journey and your ethos then they can,
Joanne Lockwood: they can take inspiration from your, your content, your YouTube
Joanne Lockwood: and I'll certainly be checking out your YouTube straight after we hang up and
Joanne Lockwood: subscribing to your channel. So Georges, thank you so much
Joanne Lockwood: for your time today. Thank you so much Joanne for having me on your show.
Georges Cordova: I appreciate it. Awesome. As we
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