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Joanne Lockwood: And today is episode 150
Joanne Lockwood: with the title From Toxins to Transformation.
Joanne Lockwood: And I have the absolute honour and privilege to welcome Christian
Joanne Lockwood: Elliot. Christian is a certified personal trainer,
Joanne Lockwood: nutritionist, life coach and founder of
Joanne Lockwood: Healing United, who are dedicated to empowering people to
Joanne Lockwood: reclaim their health through personalised holistic
Joanne Lockwood: detox programmes. When I asked Christian to describe his superpower,
Joanne Lockwood: he said it is simplifying complex health concepts
Joanne Lockwood: into actionable, transformative solutions.
Joanne Lockwood: Hello, Christian. Welcome to the show. Well, hello to you and thank
Christian Elliot: you for having me. My pleasure. Am I right thinking
Joanne Lockwood: you're based in Florida? That is correct, yes. I live in the
Christian Elliot: Sunshine State and love it here. Wow. You've got the
Joanne Lockwood: weather, we've got the rain, we've got the cold, so, yeah, quite
Joanne Lockwood: envious. Yeah. This time of year a lot of people are. Yes.
Joanne Lockwood: I remember holidaying there with my family back in the early
Joanne Lockwood: 2000s. Yeah, we had a great time. Did the Orlando experience. I did a bit
Joanne Lockwood: of work out there in the Miami area back in the 90s.
Joanne Lockwood: So, yeah, I've been to Florida, but it's been a long while. 20 odd years
Joanne Lockwood: since I've been there. No, it's a great place and fewer of us are deficient
Christian Elliot: in vitamin D here. And there's some upside to that. We have some of the
Christian Elliot: nicest beaches in the world. Yeah, the Keys and. Yeah,
Joanne Lockwood: it's. And you got. Was it crocodiles or alligators? We get
Christian Elliot: alligators. We don't get crocodiles, thankfully. Yeah. I mean, I
Joanne Lockwood: remember going to Gator World and seeing the. Yeah, I suppose that's a clue.
Joanne Lockwood: Gator World. Yeah. Yeah. They're less
Christian Elliot: intrusive or threatening than maybe the stereotype, but they
Christian Elliot: are Here. Yeah. I remember driving around the suburbs
Joanne Lockwood: and there was signs saying, beware of the crocodiles because they're
Joanne Lockwood: obviously the streams on the side of the road. And things like, you think, oh,
Joanne Lockwood: wow. Don'T go wandering off into
Christian Elliot: natural water elements without your eyes wide
Christian Elliot: open. Yeah, yeah. We did one of those skimmers, the boats with a big
Joanne Lockwood: fan on the back. We skimmer, boat, water and airboat. That's it. Yeah. And that
Joanne Lockwood: was quite good fun. Yeah. So question your passion for
Joanne Lockwood: holistic health. Reading the show notes, it's clear you know what inspired you to break
Joanne Lockwood: away the more conventional healthcare and
Joanne Lockwood: creative, personalised approach to true wellness, if you like. Yeah, I
Christian Elliot: guess as much because conventional was just failing me. I've been to half a
Christian Elliot: dozen different doctors trying to get well and nothing worked.
Christian Elliot: And I found a chiropractor, wasn't even looking for one,
Christian Elliot: just happened to be my wife's bridesmaid, went for carpal tunnel
Christian Elliot: syndrome and I was like, well, she, my shoulder condition, that one,
Christian Elliot: that was one of the main drivers of trying to heal.
Christian Elliot: I'm like, the shoulder's closer to the spine than the wrist. That's about the extent
Christian Elliot: of what I knew about chiropractic. So I thought, well, shoot, then maybe they
Christian Elliot: can help me. So I went there and he blew my mind. He turned my
Christian Elliot: paradigm of health upside down. He taught me about what
Christian Elliot: I've come to call the food industrial complex or the medical industrial complex,
Christian Elliot: this big high level system that
Christian Elliot: has really profit ahead of people and that is really
Christian Elliot: interested in the medical world and treating symptoms rather than getting to
Christian Elliot: root causes. And so I had to get outside that to find how
Christian Elliot: to heal. And sure enough, I healed well and in some ways have the
Christian Elliot: health that a lot of people envy today because I just became a very concentrated
Christian Elliot: student for about two years trying to understand what I thought, like why in the
Christian Elliot: world is my healing journey not the normal way we do things? And so I
Christian Elliot: had to peel the layers of that onion to find out why. Isn't
Christian Elliot: this how we approach sickness? And there's just some, you
Christian Elliot: know, there's business and ugly realities behind why that the systems are the way
Christian Elliot: they are. And so I became a kid in a candy store trying to figure
Christian Elliot: out what other things like this do I not know about? How many other profound
Christian Elliot: ways to heal are there that are either just poo
Christian Elliot: pooed or suppressed or I'm just ignorant of. And so I
Christian Elliot: became a student of what we call the alternative world. I think that's
Christian Elliot: also a label that conventional loves to give us. But anything that's outside of
Christian Elliot: treat symptoms or cut, burn, poison is really,
Christian Elliot: there's so many ways to help the body heal. And what I found is
Christian Elliot: there's merit to a lot of it and it can heal in profound ways
Christian Elliot: that medications and surgeries and radiation does not. And once
Christian Elliot: I studied that at breadth and I couldn't go back,
Christian Elliot: I couldn't pretend I didn't see what I saw. And so we ended up with
Christian Elliot: brick and mortar locations. For nine years. We aggregated a whole bunch of different wellness
Christian Elliot: disciplines, alternative modalities in one place. And I just, I got to
Christian Elliot: watch how a holistic healing approach could really
Christian Elliot: transform someone's health in short order or in
Christian Elliot: with an appropriate degree of patience and discipline in dramatic fashion
Christian Elliot: to where they're literally a transformed person. And that just
Christian Elliot: became I want to do what I can to leave a mark on this world
Christian Elliot: that says there's a better model for healthcare. I want to flip the current one
Christian Elliot: on its head and say let's map out a better way. We don't have to
Christian Elliot: fight the system as much as just show a better model. And so that's really
Christian Elliot: been my work the last 20 years is as doing my part to
Christian Elliot: demonstrate that. And because I've seen so many things, I can often
Christian Elliot: simplify and spare people a lot of wrong turns or help
Christian Elliot: them see through marketing gimmicks and shiny objects and options that
Christian Elliot: are really just majoring in minors and aren't getting to the heart of the problem.
Joanne Lockwood: Is it fair to say that most of us are kind of killing ourselves
Joanne Lockwood: with what we're eating, what we're consuming, our body mass, of our
Joanne Lockwood: lack of exercise, our health, our food choices. This is contributing factor to many of
Joanne Lockwood: the problems we experience in society today, isn't it? It is and it's. Some
Christian Elliot: of it is self inflicted and a lot of it is not. It's
Christian Elliot: externally imposed. And one of the most eye opening experiences I
Christian Elliot: had in my journey 2006 I read a book called the Hundred Year
Christian Elliot: Lie. So he's retracing from 1906 to 2000.
Christian Elliot: So he starts with the Pure Food and Drug act, which basically birthed the FDA
Christian Elliot: and this idea that we would have pure foods and pure drugs. And the slogan
Christian Elliot: better living through chemistry kind of came into vogue as we were going to use
Christian Elliot: chemistry and reductionist thinking and a pill for every ill to
Christian Elliot: solve all of our problems. And chemistry would make everything better. And what we also
Christian Elliot: birthed was chemicals for warfare. And we, we switched after World
Christian Elliot: War II to chemicals for warfare, for our food system, went to war against microbes
Christian Elliot: and bugs and any sort of thing that was inconvenient
Christian Elliot: in a healthy food system. We went to war against those so
Christian Elliot: called inconveniences and in so doing we, we created in
Christian Elliot: the last, you know, he traces in the book Over 80,000 synthetic chemicals, basically
Christian Elliot: new to nature, molecules that our bodies were never designed
Christian Elliot: to work with. They're, they are just corrosive or they
Christian Elliot: interact in synergistic ways that we can't account for. And when
Christian Elliot: you realise that happened with medicine and it's this mindset that we're going to
Christian Elliot: treat sickness with whatever symptom you have, there's a pill for that,
Christian Elliot: rather than saying where did the symptom come from? We're just in. The really
Christian Elliot: monopolistic healthcare system was built on that foundation of
Christian Elliot: standardisation and symptom management. You know, it sounds
Christian Elliot: maybe somewhat cynical to say, but kind of the model or the motto of
Christian Elliot: conventional healthcare is a patient that's cured as a customer lost. And
Christian Elliot: so it's meant to keep them on a treadmill of
Christian Elliot: services, if you will, of really. It's funny to think about it, but the word
Christian Elliot: pharmaceutical actually comes from the word pharmakia, which
Christian Elliot: means witchcraft or sorcery. It's this idea of like using
Christian Elliot: potions to tinker with our biology rather
Christian Elliot: than saying it's if we're using a chemical solution to treat a chemical problem,
Christian Elliot: which doesn't really make much sense, we can't biochemical whack a mole our
Christian Elliot: way out of being poisoned. And if you'll look at the US as
Christian Elliot: some of the worst health statistics in the world, we are free falling
Christian Elliot: in our health here and such to the point that, you know, in
Christian Elliot: 1930s about seven and a half percent of the population had a chronic health
Christian Elliot: condition. Today, six out of ten people have at least
Christian Elliot: one. So from seven and a half percent to 60% in a matter
Christian Elliot: of decades, one of the major things we have to swallow is
Christian Elliot: that we are poisoning ourselves, to your point, with our foods and with our medicines
Christian Elliot: and with the stuff in the air and the jet fuel exhaust that covers
Christian Elliot: the earth and the smog in our cities and the fluoride in our water and
Christian Elliot: on and on and when. If we can't get our head around the source of
Christian Elliot: this problem and we're going to play symptom whack a mole, if we can't think
Christian Elliot: outside the periodic table in order to better our health, then we
Christian Elliot: are going to stay stuck in this loop and we do have to get out
Christian Elliot: of it. And that's really what I've been, I'm somewhat of a locust eating prophet
Christian Elliot: in the wilderness trying to talk about that
Christian Elliot: problem really since I started, since I became aware of it.
Christian Elliot: And so here we are full circle to 20 years later,
Christian Elliot: 19 years since I read that book. And now it's not
Christian Elliot: so taboo to talk about fluoride and vaccines and, and chemical
Christian Elliot: toxins in our food and plastics and heavy metals in such in a way that
Christian Elliot: it used to be. And now we can have much more honest conversations about where
Christian Elliot: this is going. And the beautiful, you know the title you came up with here,
Christian Elliot: the beautiful simplicity is it doesn't have to be complicated to get well, we have
Christian Elliot: to get the toxins out. Then we have to nourish the body. So we purify
Christian Elliot: it and nourish it and it can be that simple. When you break it down.
Joanne Lockwood: There are obviously times where I use the word conventional.
Joanne Lockwood: I mean other by using that word we're making it sound like that's the best
Joanne Lockwood: one. Conventional, right, yeah. We've got to challenge the biases. You
Joanne Lockwood: know, you've talked about alternative, we've got conventional. Even the language of that
Joanne Lockwood: implies that one is better than the other, if you like. Correct? Yes. Sometimes just
Joanne Lockwood: the conventional pharma medicines, drugs, vaccines
Joanne Lockwood: have, have a place they work for a lot of people
Joanne Lockwood: and there's times where they don't work. And we can clearly see examples where
Joanne Lockwood: people have almost exhausted every conventional route
Joanne Lockwood: and then the alternative medicine, alternative treatments,
Joanne Lockwood: very remarkable of a way of stepping in at that point. They do well.
Christian Elliot: And I'll even back it up one frame just to where you started with the,
Christian Elliot: the, what we have in Western societies in particular the US
Christian Elliot: is we have linguistic handcuffs. We, the so called conventional
Christian Elliot: model has claimed for itself the exclusive rights to use
Christian Elliot: words like cure, treat, prevent, mitigate or ameliorate and
Christian Elliot: everything so called alternative is not allowed to use those terms. So I literally
Christian Elliot: cannot say to you that water prevents dehydration or could cure dehydration
Christian Elliot: because I'm now making a drug claim about a natural product and that's a no,
Christian Elliot: no. And so the language police and the
Christian Elliot: linguistic handcuffs that the so called alternative world is in is that was also
Christian Elliot: chosen. They chose to claim we are conventional, we have science, be careful.
Christian Elliot: Anything else? If you don't, if you don't follow what we do, you're, we are
Christian Elliot: off the reservation and this is dangerous. And that was intentional
Christian Elliot: to seep into the culture, the mindset that taking ownership for your
Christian Elliot: health, we're exploring things outside of literally cut, burn, poison. It
Christian Elliot: sounds barbaric to say, but that is the model of healthcare that is called conventional.
Christian Elliot: Poison your body into submission. If it's not working, cut parts out. And if you
Christian Elliot: got something significant, we can radiate you, we can burn you and burn
Christian Elliot: that part of your body in order to help it heal. And the basic logic
Christian Elliot: of that doesn't handle a stress test very well. So why is that
Christian Elliot: conventional? And when you can recognise that, oh, that's
Christian Elliot: the model, and you rewind the history of it to figure out how it was
Christian Elliot: set up and who set it up and why, and how they wove into
Christian Elliot: legislating themselves into the title of conventional and
Christian Elliot: corralling the medical community into this licensure standard of
Christian Elliot: care and who was on the in club and who's out. That system
Christian Elliot: was set up to control things. So us in the alternative world, we have to
Christian Elliot: figure out how to say, well, this helps the body heal and it doesn't cure,
Christian Elliot: treat or prevent anything, but it can help empower different systems of your body to
Christian Elliot: function more optimally. And in truth, that's actually what we're doing. We're not treating
Christian Elliot: or curing or preventing anything. Guess what does that the body does that. The body
Christian Elliot: is what heals itself, the intervention doesn't. And so then
Christian Elliot: it becomes, to your point, what things, what interventions, what modalities?
Christian Elliot: What things can I swallow assist the body in
Christian Elliot: functioning more optimally? And you can also ask the question, what
Christian Elliot: keeps the body from optimally functioning? What keeps the body from being able
Christian Elliot: to heal? Why do we have these kind of
Christian Elliot: situations in the first place? Because they're typically a product of very prosperous
Christian Elliot: societies where we don't have to connect with
Christian Elliot: the land anymore, we don't know where our food comes from and we're detached from
Christian Elliot: intuition, then we've outsourced our health to people who have the
Christian Elliot: title expert. And as if because we don't
Christian Elliot: have education in pharmacology, therefore we are not
Christian Elliot: qualified to manage our own health. And so there's
Christian Elliot: this pedestal we put doctors on, as if
Christian Elliot: they have the answer. And in any discipline, doesn't matter where conventional or
Christian Elliot: alternative, they have a sliver of what health really is in their
Christian Elliot: specialty. I've come to call specialists partialists now, because I think it's more
Christian Elliot: accurate to what they know, the tiny part of the problem. And when you can
Christian Elliot: break that spell and think holistically, gosh, it's so much easier
Christian Elliot: to find your path to healing. There's a learning curve to it, but
Christian Elliot: sure enough, it works. And that's really the work I've been about for a long
Christian Elliot: time now as. A patient myself, put myself in the patient shoes. I expect
Joanne Lockwood: the medical professionals, pharmaceutical
Joanne Lockwood: producers, chemists, whoever they are, to have give me certainty. I
Joanne Lockwood: want to know that I can be cured. That's what I want, don't I? Yeah.
Joanne Lockwood: And that's what I'm looking for. I'm looking for the holy ground. I want immortality,
Joanne Lockwood: I want invincibility. I want to know if it hurts, you can stop it. If
Joanne Lockwood: I'm. If I've got a tumour, if I've got this, I've got that going on.
Joanne Lockwood: I want to know that what you're going to do for me is reassure me
Joanne Lockwood: that I will get better if I can. And I think what
Joanne Lockwood: you're saying is the healthcare industry have the monopoly on the phraseology
Joanne Lockwood: to give me that assurance. And there's. We've got risk management right here, we
Joanne Lockwood: got who wants to be risk, who wants to take the risk of you not
Joanne Lockwood: getting better? Am I insured? Am I covered? Are you going to sue me?
Joanne Lockwood: There's all these kind of things going on, isn't there? Yeah, the whole model is
Christian Elliot: fear based, once you think about it. You don't know enough. So you have to
Christian Elliot: trust us. There are invisible things that might infect you
Christian Elliot: and you need to be worried about that. And if you don't do the
Christian Elliot: quote unquote conventional thing now, you're even at more risk. And
Christian Elliot: what lacks in this entire conversation is informed consent. They don't
Christian Elliot: tell you the risks of their treatments. When was the last time somebody laid out
Christian Elliot: for you, so here are the side effects of this medication, here are the
Christian Elliot: processes that your body runs that it will interrupt. Here's where it's going to throw
Christian Elliot: a monkey wrench in, like for statins, as an easy example, the monkey wrench of
Christian Elliot: this HMG CoA reductase inhibitor. Which means basically that's a
Christian Elliot: fancy way of saying there's a particular enzyme that this interrupts when your
Christian Elliot: body's synthesising cholesterol. And as a side
Christian Elliot: effect of that, your body also can't synthesise CoQ10 anymore. So that can lead to
Christian Elliot: heart failure and several different diseases of the heart.
Christian Elliot: Nevermind. We're trying to prevent heart disease with this
Christian Elliot: medication, but we're actually creating a different kind of problem that can lead
Christian Elliot: to heart disease and a weakened immune system and gingivitis. And other things.
Christian Elliot: And so what doctor ever lays that out for you when you go to get
Christian Elliot: something to lower your cholesterol? Or how about the question why
Christian Elliot: is the body making so much cholesterol in the first place? Because it needs it
Christian Elliot: as a raw material to rebuild a healthy cell. So now I'm shooting
Christian Elliot: the messenger and I'm telling the body to stop doing this because there's some
Christian Elliot: artificial test that says your cholesterol needs to be in this particular range
Christian Elliot: or you're at risk of clogged arteries and you're going to keel over at any
Christian Elliot: second. We're back to fear now. And absence
Christian Elliot: of informed consent is an oversimplified narrative that doesn't respect
Christian Elliot: the biological processes our body has to run in order to build
Christian Elliot: and sustain health. And because they have the ability
Christian Elliot: to quote unquote, prevent that. Nevermind. It's kind of the opposite
Christian Elliot: that the. Another easy example is the proton pump inhibitors for acid
Christian Elliot: reflux. They turn off your body's stomach acid. Well think about that
Christian Elliot: for a second. What do you need stomach acid for? To digest your food. Now
Christian Elliot: how do you break down your food without acid? How do you get rock minerals
Christian Elliot: out of your food without acid? You don't. And so if you don't get it
Christian Elliot: out of there, where does your body have to find it? In your bones.
Christian Elliot: One of the side effects of proton pump inhibitors is hip
Christian Elliot: fractures. Why is it a hip? Because it's the most load bearing joint
Christian Elliot: of your body. It's the one that your body put. Your body pulls minerals from
Christian Elliot: it and eventually that bone cracks because it was deficient in
Christian Elliot: minerals because it couldn't get it out of your food. But the system
Christian Elliot: doesn't tell you that when it is just promoting this one
Christian Elliot: idea. And it's on us to realise what
Christian Elliot: how the system functions and and find the people who can
Christian Elliot: teach us what our options are in a way that lays it out
Christian Elliot: where you go, okay, I now I feel informed. And
Christian Elliot: what to your point? I want to know that I'm going to be cured. I
Christian Elliot: want to know that you can make the pain go away. I want to know
Christian Elliot: you can cut the tumour out. Well yes, with the right painkiller you
Christian Elliot: can flip a switch that tells your body, stop communicating that message to me.
Christian Elliot: Make it go away so I can't feel it. It doesn't mean you did anything
Christian Elliot: to get at the source of it. And now you've interrupted another physiological
Christian Elliot: process and shifted your body into figuring out some other way to communicate with
Christian Elliot: you. That there's still a problem here. That's called side effects. And then they
Christian Elliot: just give you a medication for the side effect and another medication for the side
Christian Elliot: effect. And, Well, I had one client on 13 medications. I guarantee you there's no
Christian Elliot: doctor who has any clue what 13 medications are doing synergistically in one
Christian Elliot: body. They don't know and they can't tell you because now it's.
Christian Elliot: It's. You're in the polypharmaceutical diagnosis. There's no study
Christian Elliot: anywhere of more than two drugs in one body at the same time.
Christian Elliot: None. Because it's too complex to study the side effects of that. There's some that
Christian Elliot: you can tell these two drugs don't interact well together. And so there's some one
Christian Elliot: to one, but three or more clueless. This guy's on 13
Christian Elliot: and that's. That's just a shame that his doctors never gave him the
Christian Elliot: informed consent to see where this goes. If we give you another one and another
Christian Elliot: one and another one and another one, that's where people end up. And without
Christian Elliot: that information, how are you supposed to make an educated
Christian Elliot: decision? You're not. You're supposed to blindly trust. Yeah. And you've raised an
Joanne Lockwood: interesting question that's going through my head right now, is it's easy to get onto
Joanne Lockwood: these medications, these drugs. It's not so easy to come off of them. So listen
Joanne Lockwood: to your sweet there. I take omeprazole, which is a proton pump inhibitor.
Joanne Lockwood: Quite strong acid reflex, which is causing me esophageal
Joanne Lockwood: spasms and things. Oh, wow. I'm on statins, which apparently are good for my
Joanne Lockwood: heart, but also I know. This by the way. Yeah. To avoid
Joanne Lockwood: also chronic ckd, chronic kidney disease. I'm also
Joanne Lockwood: on. Where else am I on? I'm on two sorts of blood pressure
Joanne Lockwood: medication. They operate differently. One is called Ramipuram. The other one called.
Joanne Lockwood: Is some really long way beginning with Alma. I can't pronounce one of them
Joanne Lockwood: is good enough. And at what point can I go back to my gp, my
Joanne Lockwood: doctor and say, hang on a minute, I've been on these now for years and
Joanne Lockwood: years and years. Do I still need to stay on them? And the basic response
Joanne Lockwood: is, well, if they're working, they're working. Just keep doing them. And
Joanne Lockwood: I want to know, can I get off this? Do I have to take all
Joanne Lockwood: these medications? I have to declare these on my health
Joanne Lockwood: insurance and I have to declare them on my travel insurance. And they're loading
Joanne Lockwood: me because I'm on this medication. Do I still have potential
Joanne Lockwood: CKD kidneys of these? I don't think I do, but I'm on this stuff now
Joanne Lockwood: forever. So yeah, it's really interesting that we get on them. How do we get
Joanne Lockwood: off them? Yeah, that's. But that model isn't even interested in asking
Christian Elliot: that question. Doctors aren't trained in deprescribing, they're
Christian Elliot: just trained in prescribing. And oh, that's add another one. Oh, that. The side effects
Christian Elliot: of that are not so great. Let's try a different version of the same toxin.
Christian Elliot: And if I was in your shoes, what I would do is just go back
Christian Elliot: and say, what would it take for me to wean off of this? Or, or
Christian Elliot: here's the fun experiment. Can you tell me why I have, let's say acid
Christian Elliot: reflux or high cholesterol in the first place? Ask that question and what you're going
Christian Elliot: to find, you probably get one of five answers. It's genetics, it's stress, it's ageing,
Christian Elliot: it's I don't know. Or it's all in your head. You're probably just making up
Christian Elliot: and you should probably talk to somebody because you're. You need to see a shrink.
Christian Elliot: Now. That's the, the breadth of the best answers
Christian Elliot: 95+% of medical doctors are going to give you because that's
Christian Elliot: how they're trained to think. And they're, they're wooed and groomed in this
Christian Elliot: idea that they are the authority and there is no higher, better
Christian Elliot: option. And they use the term idiopathic, which has
Christian Elliot: funny root. Idiot. They have this idea that we don't know
Christian Elliot: what the cause of this situation is. That's what the definition of idiopathic is.
Christian Elliot: Unknown origin. So you have a disease of unknown origin, which is to me is
Christian Elliot: a cop out. It's the lazy answer to why did this
Christian Elliot: start in the first place? And if we're not
Christian Elliot: entertaining that question, what are we doing? How are we helping someone
Christian Elliot: get well? We're not. We're assuming that it's because a medical doctor often will tell
Christian Elliot: you it's incurable. And what they're really saying is
Christian Elliot: I don't know how it could be curable. That doesn't mean it isn't.
Christian Elliot: I have so many disease conditions I've helped people reverse. Not because
Christian Elliot: I was treating or prescribing anything. I was just teaching them how to live a
Christian Elliot: healthy lifestyle. And sure enough, the body figured it out. I just helped remove the
Christian Elliot: burden and empower better function. And in many ways that's what
Christian Elliot: healthcare should be, but it's not how the system thinks.
Christian Elliot: You're just a chemistry equation or a lab test, not a holistic person
Christian Elliot: with a lot of moving parts in your life and identifiable
Christian Elliot: sources of problem. You're just 10 minutes of half
Christian Elliot: listening in a pill. Come back and see me in six months or 12 months
Christian Elliot: and we'll do another test. Well, that, that's a test is what was happening in
Christian Elliot: that moment. What about the rest of my life? What about, what about doctor, what's
Christian Elliot: going on inside my cells or inside my interstitial fluid? There's
Christian Elliot: no test for that. There's no test for what's going on in your head. There's
Christian Elliot: a questionnaire, a symptom, like amorphous, like you kind of have some of
Christian Elliot: these. So let's just throw some darts in the dark and use this medication for
Christian Elliot: your head. There's no lab test for that. How do you even know what you're
Christian Elliot: dealing with? And I can tell you if you start asking those questions, the doctors
Christian Elliot: won't appreciate it or some of you'll find the rare unicorn who's like humbled.
Christian Elliot: And I had one client on proton pump inhibitors and I laid out for
Christian Elliot: her the nutrients, Rob, the side effects and the eventual hip fracture
Christian Elliot: that she was looking at. She went back to her doctor with that evidence and
Christian Elliot: showed it to him and he said, you know what, you're right, we're going to
Christian Elliot: have to get you off of this. But it took the patient
Christian Elliot: pointing that out to the medical professional and kind of
Christian Elliot: cornering them in the end state of where that goes before
Christian Elliot: the doctor was in that case humble enough to say, yeah, there's, we have
Christian Elliot: to maybe get at the root of this. And this as a long term solution
Christian Elliot: is going to lead to other problems. Where was that informed consent at the
Christian Elliot: beginning of prescribing that? There wasn't any. So
Joanne Lockwood: anyway, one of the BP meds I'm on actually has a
Joanne Lockwood: proven side effect of causing chronic kidney disease or
Joanne Lockwood: early stage. It has an effect on the kidneys, so you can't overtake. I think
Joanne Lockwood: it's Ramipril is the one I'm on, whatever that generic name is. So I know
Joanne Lockwood: that I'm on. I'm taking the statins because the Ramipril has
Joanne Lockwood: effectively impacted my kidneys. I've got to be careful. That and I, I've lost a
Joanne Lockwood: lot of weight recently. I've lost over six to in the last couple of years.
Joanne Lockwood: Stopped drinking a couple of years ago. So I'm actually wanting to Get a
Joanne Lockwood: pathway off of some of this stuff. Hopefully my, my blood pressure will normalise now
Joanne Lockwood: I'm living more health, less, Less body mass. There's
Joanne Lockwood: no alcohol, so I'm hoping that I can wean myself off. But how do I
Joanne Lockwood: wean myself off a BP meds without going cold turkey and saying, because
Joanne Lockwood: these all have a half life, don't they? It's not like you stop taking them
Joanne Lockwood: and then tomorrow you, you have to wait essentially weeks for them to come out
Joanne Lockwood: of your system to get the true zero effect of them. And
Joanne Lockwood: it's. Yeah, it's. Yeah, do I have a. Do I have a
Joanne Lockwood: stroke while I'm, While I'm playing with it? You know, who knows? Yeah, there's.
Christian Elliot: Some medications are easier to discontinue than others. The hardest ones typically
Christian Elliot: are the psych medications. They can mess with, especially the longer you've been on
Christian Elliot: them. So if you can appreciate what's happening in your physiology is
Christian Elliot: if you're accelerating, suppressing or replacing a normal
Christian Elliot: bodily function, right, you essentially, you're overriding how your body
Christian Elliot: would respond to a particular situation that it's in. That's the hubris of
Christian Elliot: medicine that says your body's not smart enough to fight this battle. We're going to
Christian Elliot: intervene and tell it what to do. That's essentially what the
Christian Elliot: medications you're talking about do. And so if you have
Christian Elliot: for months or years been manipulating or tinkering with your physiology
Christian Elliot: in a particular way and the body can't respond, the parts that are suppressed atrophy,
Christian Elliot: they can't. They're. They're not as in shape as they could have been.
Christian Elliot: And rebooting those systems, strengthening them again, letting them know it's
Christian Elliot: your, it's now your job to manage this. There's a window of time where they
Christian Elliot: get to re. Basically get back in shape and retake that responsibility
Christian Elliot: and own it and manage it for you. And so like I
Christian Elliot: said, and I, I would, if I'm in your shoes, I'm looking for
Christian Elliot: a doctor who specialises in deprescribing and understand some of
Christian Elliot: the hiccups you might experience as you come off of those things
Christian Elliot: and, and then you. For. For yourself and just brace for impact, like buckle your
Christian Elliot: chin strap and recognise that some of the work you'll do
Christian Elliot: to get off these. There's going to be, as you shift your physiology, maybe some
Christian Elliot: interruptions that are a little unpleasant as you, your body cleanses these things. To your
Christian Elliot: point, as the half life of these medications, as they come out, it's funny to
Christian Elliot: say that, but they're toxins, they need to be purged. And that
Christian Elliot: finding its way to the exit can be a little uncomfortable. And to recognise
Christian Elliot: that it doesn't necessarily mean you're off course if you're having a cleansing
Christian Elliot: response or your body's readjusting to, like, think of people who come off of hard
Christian Elliot: narcotics, cocaine, heroin, alcoholics. There's. There's a window of this is just
Christian Elliot: really uncomfortable. And I'm doing this so that my physiology can
Christian Elliot: reset and be in charge of its own processes again. So that's what I'd
Christian Elliot: look for in a situation like yours. And as you are
Christian Elliot: healing, you can appreciate that health is the
Christian Elliot: side effect of a healthy lifestyle. Weight loss is the side effect of a healthy
Christian Elliot: lifestyle. Better sleep, better mood, better energy, those are all the side
Christian Elliot: effects. It's the compound effect of the right habits, carefully
Christian Elliot: chosen and often that's. You can accelerate that with a good
Christian Elliot: cleanse and you can accelerate that with nourishment of food and water and hope
Christian Elliot: and. And movement and so on. And your body retakes
Christian Elliot: the ground that it has lost because you're working with the first principles of
Christian Elliot: health again, not working with a suppression of how your body's
Christian Elliot: responding to something and trying to communicate. This doesn't feel good. I need some help
Christian Elliot: here. And it's. It really, in some ways, it untethers you to the
Christian Elliot: expert spell. It untethers you to the mindset that I need to
Christian Elliot: outsource my health to someone and you take ownership of it again. And
Christian Elliot: to me, that's the only path to healing that I know of. There's been some
Joanne Lockwood: quite well vocalised horror stories about people who've been
Joanne Lockwood: persuaded to come off cancer treatments for alternative or
Joanne Lockwood: holistic medicine, not engaging in
Joanne Lockwood: chemotherapy, radiography, whatever it may be, some of the strong cancer
Joanne Lockwood: drugs to use alternative options. And
Joanne Lockwood: these people have died. These people have not succeeded with these
Joanne Lockwood: alternative solutions. I'm not saying they would have done if they stayed on the other
Joanne Lockwood: ones. But the families believe they were then given the wrong choice, the wrong
Joanne Lockwood: option. And there's always this anti. See, this is what
Joanne Lockwood: crazy alternatives are saying we need to go back to the science. So
Joanne Lockwood: how can we reassure people? Because there are no FDA
Joanne Lockwood: trials on a lot of this holistic and alternative medicines. Or are
Joanne Lockwood: there? Well, there's a. There's many facets to answering
Christian Elliot: that and I guess I'll start with the first one that I think might be
Christian Elliot: lead to the other ones. And that's the idea that we're back to where we
Christian Elliot: said earlier. Fear is part of how we are trained to like. If you,
Christian Elliot: if you can get someone an anxious moment, they are malleable and they are
Christian Elliot: likely to do whatever you tell them with authority and confidence is the
Christian Elliot: answer. So some of what we can appreciate about
Christian Elliot: the pooh poohing of anything outside of so called conventional
Christian Elliot: is that that's done with intent and it's even sometimes, I hate to say it,
Christian Elliot: done with malice. It is done to make sure that we tell the
Christian Elliot: stories the way we want them told to continue to keep the profits and
Christian Elliot: keep people thinking a particular way. And so what they don't tell you is all
Christian Elliot: the stories of people that got killed by the chemo or that didn't get any
Christian Elliot: better, that didn't have any quality of life and that went. They don't. In the
Christian Elliot: drug commercials that we get to play here. There's only two countries left in the
Christian Elliot: world where drug advertising is legal, the United States and New Zealand. And the drug
Christian Elliot: ads that we see on our tv, they never show somebody throwing up at the
Christian Elliot: toilet. They never show somebody without their hair and going through all the side
Christian Elliot: effects of the treatments. They show people living on permanent vacation and living their
Christian Elliot: best life and this just beautiful picture. They don't, there's no
Christian Elliot: informed consent. They just use these beautiful images and they just listen. You might have
Christian Elliot: nausea, constipation, cramping, insomnia, vomiting, diarrhoea, four hour erections,
Christian Elliot: blindness. And you know, that happens, just no big deal.
Christian Elliot: But. And so that's one. It's truly uninformed consent, but it's a
Christian Elliot: system interested in its own interest. You could, there's a great documentary called
Christian Elliot: Pink Ribbons. You could cheque out that documentary just about the cancer industry in
Christian Elliot: particular. The COVID is a giant stack of 100 bills
Christian Elliot: wrapped in pink ribbons. So appreciate that there's a model that's
Christian Elliot: protecting its own interests when it comes to what stories they
Christian Elliot: will tell you. And they're going to do their darndest to find the one outlier
Christian Elliot: story of the person who tried the alternative route and it didn't work out.
Christian Elliot: And they're not going to tell you the stories of all the people who did
Christian Elliot: go the alternative route and it worked out great for them. And they got to
Christian Elliot: skip the hair loss and they got to skip the puking and they got to
Christian Elliot: skip all of the chemical, which is what chemo means. They got to skip the
Christian Elliot: chemical therapy and go take ownership of their health and approach
Christian Elliot: it holistically. The Alternative world is not guiltless in
Christian Elliot: this. They're going to also the outlier stories of the
Christian Elliot: fastest, most rapid transformations and jaw dropping pictures
Christian Elliot: are. That's what anybody's going to use in marketing. We're not going to tell you
Christian Elliot: that for most people it's going to take a while. It's going to take some
Christian Elliot: patience and endurance. Nobody wants to hear that. But once we can
Christian Elliot: calibrate to what does healing look like.
Christian Elliot: Okay, it's. It's. I can't win the argument that I can
Christian Elliot: poison my way back to health. So that means what
Christian Elliot: things can I do that build health? Then here's another there's no
Christian Elliot: silver bullet when it comes to healing. There's no silver bullet when it comes to
Christian Elliot: treatment either. But when it comes to healing, your
Christian Elliot: health is not about one thing. All I needed to do was sleep and I
Christian Elliot: got my health back. All I needed to do was drink this particular water. All
Christian Elliot: I needed to do was eat this one vitamin. It's not that it's many things.
Christian Elliot: It's hydration and nutrition. It's mind and emotions. It is exercise and
Christian Elliot: movement. It's sleep and rest and play and meaningful connection with other people.
Christian Elliot: Restorative disciplines that boost the body's ability to heal. And it's
Christian Elliot: managing stress. That's how healing happens. And you can't
Christian Elliot: get that in a brown bottle with a white lid. It's not how health works.
Christian Elliot: We'd love it if it would be that way, but it just isn't. But we've
Christian Elliot: been hoodwinked into thinking that it is. And healing requires
Christian Elliot: ownership, whereas treatment just requires passivity and rule
Christian Elliot: following and pill swallowing. And as long as you're willing to be a compliant rule
Christian Elliot: follower, they're happy to treat you indefinitely the rest of your life and not and
Christian Elliot: not tell you the stories of where that goes and why it doesn't work
Christian Elliot: out. And they'll just highlight anything to scare you back into their model.
Christian Elliot: That's the system we live in. And there are so many. That's the
Christian Elliot: world I've swam in for the last 20 years is all the different ways the
Christian Elliot: body can heal and the dramatic stories of reversing almost any health condition
Christian Elliot: you can think of because the body is the healer, not
Christian Elliot: the intervention. Once that clicks and you're willing to
Christian Elliot: explore what would it take to. To heal. How do
Christian Elliot: I evaluate the merits of medicine, what we call
Christian Elliot: conventional, on its own terms and then
Christian Elliot: compare it honestly to other options and you just kind of. Which suffering do you
Christian Elliot: want to choose? Discipline or Toxicity like
Christian Elliot: you're going to have either one can be hard, but what kind of life do
Christian Elliot: you want to sign up for? Becomes part of the conversation, hopefully. Am I right
Joanne Lockwood: saying that chemotherapy is a chemical weapon? Is it mustard gas or something?
Joanne Lockwood: It's some sort of chemical weapon that's used in a controlled
Joanne Lockwood: way, as you say, to kill cells in your body. It's. It's a. Yeah.
Christian Elliot: Chemotherapy means chemistry, chemical. And essentially what chemotherapy
Christian Elliot: is, is it's chemical therapy and it's a poison that. The
Christian Elliot: idea is we're going to target this as best we can and poison the cancer
Christian Elliot: cells, poison the part of the body that we don't want to be growing and
Christian Elliot: know it's going to do some collateral damage and poison other cells. That's why you
Christian Elliot: have all these gross side effects, because everything's poisoned. But the hope is that we
Christian Elliot: poison enough of the bad cells that the body can then get back in front
Christian Elliot: of it and kind of reassert itself and maintain health. And
Christian Elliot: that's. I mean, they can do surgical. Like you can get
Christian Elliot: around the perimeter and inject particular parts and try to target
Christian Elliot: it right at a tumour. But here's the problem. You puncture
Christian Elliot: into the body, into the tumour. What happens when you pull the needle out?
Christian Elliot: There's a vacuum and you just pulled. What if cells are already metastasizing?
Christian Elliot: You've just littered them into the rest of the interstitial fluid, circulatory system and lymphatic
Christian Elliot: system. And now you've spread that, hoping that you're. You're
Christian Elliot: just playing the odds that you can kill more than you harm and
Christian Elliot: hope it works, that's chemotherapy. It's chemical
Christian Elliot: therapy. And if you want other options, if you want to place your bets on
Christian Elliot: the body healing, then it just requires. If there's a learning curve and there's.
Christian Elliot: There's experimenting, there's no one thing that works for everyone, but there
Christian Elliot: are things that work really well and, and it's finding
Christian Elliot: how you use them in your situation. And that is
Christian Elliot: just. It's not a conversation medicine is interested in having. I'm. I happily stand toe
Christian Elliot: to toe with any doctor and reason with them, but they often don't like what
Christian Elliot: I have to say because I'm. In some ways, it's questioning their entire profession
Christian Elliot: and the methodology behind it. And I will tell you, there are some great
Christian Elliot: doctors out there who really do embrace this and they know where their
Christian Elliot: profession is kind of weaponized against the populace or where their limitations are,
Christian Elliot: and they use their licence to help people heal. There are great doctors out there,
Christian Elliot: but I'd say they're more the exception than the rule. And
Christian Elliot: if we're going to heal, we just. We want to think about the
Christian Elliot: puzzle differently and come from a. What we call a healing paradigm which
Christian Elliot: places primacy on the body's ability to heal rather than on the intervention to do
Christian Elliot: all the work. You're saying just now about the US and New Zealand are the
Joanne Lockwood: only two countries in the world that allow advertising pharmaceuticals on mainstream
Joanne Lockwood: television, et cetera, is the American healthcare model and the way
Joanne Lockwood: it's structured, unique in the world. Because, you know, some things
Joanne Lockwood: you're saying around the pharmaceutical industry don't resonate necessarily with me
Joanne Lockwood: as a Brit in the uk, because our model is nhs. It's all
Joanne Lockwood: institutionalised in that way. No one can sell me drugs directly. I don't
Joanne Lockwood: feel under pressure to consume medication. And I
Joanne Lockwood: believe, although I could be wrong, that our doctors are not sold
Joanne Lockwood: to in the same way at a GP level, maybe at a national
Joanne Lockwood: level, but they're not targeted at a local level to buy favourite drugs. I
Joanne Lockwood: mean, is that a Netflix documentary about oxytocin? Was it
Joanne Lockwood: the painkiller? And the whole model around
Joanne Lockwood: targets and selling and. And people were being persuaded to
Joanne Lockwood: consume more of this, killing them? Yeah,
Joanne Lockwood: I don't see that model here. Is that a difference between the pressure you're
Joanne Lockwood: feeling in America, in the us versus maybe a
Joanne Lockwood: European model? Yeah, I think that to me, it's the same
Christian Elliot: system manifesting itself in two different ways. So, one, you have
Christian Elliot: a centralised conventional versus a
Christian Elliot: theoretical idea that we can navigate conventional
Christian Elliot: ourselves. And so, yes, there are key differences, but at the
Christian Elliot: end of the day, it's still allopathic medicine that your health system is
Christian Elliot: built on. Same thing in Canada. They have a. Allopathy has
Christian Elliot: won the day and claims the title conventional. And so now it's just
Christian Elliot: standardised that these are the things that we do and any doctor that
Christian Elliot: wanders outside the protection of so called standard of care can
Christian Elliot: lose their licence. They're. They're not following what the system is set
Christian Elliot: up to do. Then you've more or less created the system where what gets
Christian Elliot: paid for is conventional, so we have more options to
Christian Elliot: pivot and try unconventional things. But you
Christian Elliot: don't have to sit through the barrage of all the advertising and
Christian Elliot: attempting to woo us into a particular model
Christian Elliot: of healthcare. We just have the largest advertisers on all
Christian Elliot: mainstream media, 50 to 70% of their advertising
Christian Elliot: revenue, more in an election year comes from
Christian Elliot: pharmaceutical Companies so they get to dictate content, they get to dictate culture.
Christian Elliot: And that is, is part of what we swim in here. But in the UK
Christian Elliot: and Canada, you guys have, you've just already, you've skipped ahead of us and you've
Christian Elliot: just made that model standard for everyone
Christian Elliot: and now you just pay for it with your tax dollars. You now pay for
Christian Elliot: people to tell you this is the only way. And so there's, there's
Christian Elliot: upside and downside to, to both where you theoretically all the
Christian Elliot: services you get are covered. Yet that's like us subsidising the
Christian Elliot: crappiest food that you could possibly eat is one of the things we do
Christian Elliot: here. And we've made garbage food like products
Christian Elliot: subsidised so heavily that they're the least expensive for the consumer. Well, that
Christian Elliot: was, that was a plan. And so now we're eating the worst food and
Christian Elliot: paying for it with our tax dollars. You're getting the worst health care in some
Christian Elliot: ways and paying for it with your tax dollars. And it's okay, it's free, but
Christian Elliot: you already paid for it. And it's the only option typically that you're going to
Christian Elliot: be presented is this one model. And so in some ways it may be harder
Christian Elliot: to break out of that. Our insurance world here is set up to cover
Christian Elliot: pretty much everything medical, allopathic,
Christian Elliot: and rarely covers all the alternative stuff. And that
Christian Elliot: my wife and I, my family and most of the people that I'm friends with
Christian Elliot: are in our alternative circles. We're just used to paying out of pocket for any
Christian Elliot: healthcare we actually need. But here's the fun part. We hardly ever have to go
Christian Elliot: to the doctor. We. My, my health insurance is my food. My
Christian Elliot: health insurance are my habits. My health insurance is what I know about health. I,
Christian Elliot: my, my kids have, have never
Christian Elliot: been to the doctor. Maybe the last 10 years, other, no longer than that
Christian Elliot: with unless there's some sort of emergency that needs stitches or whatever,
Christian Elliot: we don't. We have no use for that system. So our tax
Christian Elliot: dollars don't have to go to that, which is the beauty of it. I'm not
Christian Elliot: paying for a system I don't use. And
Christian Elliot: in your world you do, whether you use it or not. But you're still in
Christian Elliot: the. Here's all the medications they're going to give you. Did they tell you about
Christian Elliot: chiropractic and acupuncture and 40 other holistic disciplines I could
Christian Elliot: mention? No, probably not. And it's a shame that that's how the
Christian Elliot: system's set up to work. It's just keep people in this cycle, on this treadmill
Christian Elliot: of regular visits, regular tests, regular medications and
Christian Elliot: we'll see you in six months and we'll do another test and tell you which
Christian Elliot: medication to take. Is that healthcare? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think the other, the other
Joanne Lockwood: challenge, maybe in the uk, just giving a perspective that's coming into my head is
Joanne Lockwood: that I go and see my GP and
Joanne Lockwood: it's covered, it's free, don't pay extra for that. I need to go to hospital,
Joanne Lockwood: it's covered, it's free, whatever it may be. Don't just pay extra for that. If
Joanne Lockwood: I go homoeopathic alternative, that's on the clock,
Joanne Lockwood: isn't it? I'm paying. Suddenly I've got to fork out for something that I consider
Joanne Lockwood: is free. Yeah. Even going to a
Joanne Lockwood: homoeopathic outlet for medicine and pill and vitamins
Joanne Lockwood: or whatever I'm going to buy, I have to pay for that with my prescriptions,
Joanne Lockwood: I get a fixed price, I've got a prepayment card, all my prescriptions are covered.
Joanne Lockwood: If I've got certain health conditions or certain age, they're all free. So
Joanne Lockwood: suddenly I've got to, I've got to start paying for something that I consider to
Joanne Lockwood: be a free right in my society. That is the barrier as well, isn't it?
Christian Elliot: It is. Well, let me give you another historical window into what you're talking about.
Christian Elliot: So there was a, an era in the late 1800s, first half of the
Christian Elliot: 20th century, so early 1900s in this country
Christian Elliot: where we had a very, very robust
Christian Elliot: set of what you could loosely call mutual aid societies, where it's largely
Christian Elliot: immigrant focused, so people with a particular plight shared values, they'd come to this
Christian Elliot: country and they, they needed a safety net, they needed some sort of place
Christian Elliot: to land and build a life. And so naturally, in this free
Christian Elliot: market, they set up mutual aid societies, which some of them grew, there were thousands
Christian Elliot: of them, some of them grew to hundreds of thousands of members. And you would
Christian Elliot: pay a day's wage to get a year's worth of benefits and that would cover
Christian Elliot: life insurance, that would cover doctors, that would cover gymnasiums, they built roads, they
Christian Elliot: built schools, all sorts of perks of just being part of this society.
Christian Elliot: And what that did, because there were thousands of them and because people weren't dependent
Christian Elliot: on the dole, they didn't rely on the government largess to meet their
Christian Elliot: need, they were a threat to monopolists. And so what
Christian Elliot: monopolists did was basically legislate and infiltrate those
Christian Elliot: and force them out of Existence and make, and start
Christian Elliot: making the government cover things just like what you're talking about.
Christian Elliot: So that why would I, I, I continue to pay
Christian Elliot: this membership to this mutual aid society when the government's already covering that for
Christian Elliot: me? I don't. I can to your point, I can go see my
Christian Elliot: doctor or I can pay out of pocket for homoeopath. Well why would I pay
Christian Elliot: money when I have a doctor? Now that was intentional. And that system is set
Christian Elliot: up to, to keep you thinking the same way or feeling the same way
Christian Elliot: or feeling they'll hit in your wallet so that you don't explore
Christian Elliot: health and they can keep you on that very profitable treadmill
Christian Elliot: indefinitely so that there's, there's a, there's a concerted
Christian Elliot: effort, whichever model you're talking about to make sure things are centralised and that
Christian Elliot: you follow and know one way. Yeah,
Joanne Lockwood: I'm just thinking if I, if I was diagnosed tomorrow with something,
Joanne Lockwood: something serious, something significant, something life challenging,
Joanne Lockwood: I would be under a, an enormous emotional family
Joanne Lockwood: pressure to follow the conventional. Yeah, you would. Most likely
Joanne Lockwood: I would feel obliged mentally in my own head to go conventional
Joanne Lockwood: because at what point do I want to convent put my chips on the table
Joanne Lockwood: and go all in on something that is alternative?
Joanne Lockwood: When everything, everything is telling me conventional
Joanne Lockwood: is the way it is. Only when conventional
Joanne Lockwood: gets exhausted it no longer delivers anything. I'd
Joanne Lockwood: feel comfortable going alternative but I wouldn't go alternative to start with because
Joanne Lockwood: the bias in my head says I'd be crazy. Because everything I've been told. How
Joanne Lockwood: do I break out of that? Well, you recognise that you're in a trance for
Christian Elliot: one and that simplicity, that one is treatment
Christian Elliot: and override the body's abilities and nudge it to work particular ways which always
Christian Elliot: have side effects. That's statins, proton pump inhibitors like we talked about.
Christian Elliot: Chemotherapy is no different. Look at the go. Just look up the stats of
Christian Elliot: the success rate like 2% maybe that you get benefit
Christian Elliot: compared to not doing anything. They're not going to tell you that when you go
Christian Elliot: look at it. So some of it is this due diligence and research on your
Christian Elliot: own part to get confidence and fortitude the backbone to try
Christian Elliot: another way and pick your battles. You don't have to tell everyone that you're trying
Christian Elliot: other things. And even if you stick with so called conventional,
Christian Elliot: why does that preclude you from trying other things to boost your body's ability
Christian Elliot: to heal too? Like it's not one or the other. It could be both. If
Christian Elliot: you are committed to or just scared into
Christian Elliot: Conventional. But there are so many ways to
Christian Elliot: heal. And when you get the advice of one model, guess what they're going to
Christian Elliot: tell you is the option. When you go to an orthopaedic, what are they probably
Christian Elliot: going to prescribe surgery. When you go to an oncologist, what are they going to
Christian Elliot: tell you? Oncology methods. You're not going to hear the other things outside their
Christian Elliot: purview or their financial interests. So some
Christian Elliot: of it is the way you, you could entertain the idea is you're going to
Christian Elliot: have to become more educated and confident in what you know or what you've
Christian Elliot: learned so that you can see your options with more informed consent and
Christian Elliot: more breadth. And you probably don't win the argument that water is irrelevant to your
Christian Elliot: health and that better food will be better for you and that exercise is going
Christian Elliot: to help and that you don't need to sleep. And you're the only person on
Christian Elliot: the world who can't benefit from stress management. Like all of those things will
Christian Elliot: help you. And done well, they can help you
Christian Elliot: dramatically. And so yes, it's an anxiety
Christian Elliot: inducing moment to hear that you may have some condition, but the medical world can,
Christian Elliot: to give them some credit, can do well. Is trauma and emergency care. Fantastic at
Christian Elliot: that. If I'm, if I get hit by a bus or turn my acl, please
Christian Elliot: take me to a medical doctor. But if I have a chronic condition and
Christian Elliot: now I'm really suspect of whatever they're going to tell me, their testing can be
Christian Elliot: sometimes insightful. Like we can see this thing on a scan. Never mind.
Christian Elliot: Maybe we traumatised your body with contrast dye or pressure or
Christian Elliot: radiation in order to find that. So we put an extra burden on you in
Christian Elliot: order to identify it. But the testing can reveal some things. But what
Christian Elliot: often goes with testing is anxiousness, fear. And this is the only
Christian Elliot: way. This is the approved treatment. So because you have X now, Y
Christian Elliot: rather than because you have this, here's a whole
Christian Elliot: smorgasbord of options. And here's what it takes to rebuild a healthy lifestyle. That's, that's
Christian Elliot: just not in their financial interest or education to do that. Yeah, as you, as
Joanne Lockwood: you said now I just think about, you know, when you say investigations for chronic
Joanne Lockwood: is, it's quite traumatic, quite stressful. You know, I've climbed into an MRI
Joanne Lockwood: machine many times and CT scanners and X rays and things.
Joanne Lockwood: All those are pretty traumatic experiences. Yeah.
Joanne Lockwood: Emotionally, like in a metal tube for an hour. Yeah. Did they do
Christian Elliot: a contrast dye for you? Did you ever have that? I had a Contrast. I've
Joanne Lockwood: had a swallower, barium, a barium
Joanne Lockwood: bearing swallow. Yeah. With a marshmallow. And they chew it and they. Yeah,
Christian Elliot: okay, great. Stage way on that. Yeah. Yeah. Gadolinium is the contrast dye and that's
Christian Elliot: a heavy metal that's toxic. And barium is radioactive material.
Christian Elliot: That's how it glows because it's easier to see that on their scan. Did
Christian Elliot: they tell you that this is a toxic metal or that barium is radioactive?
Joanne Lockwood: I knew that. I didn't ask because I knew. Yeah. That's how the X ray
Joanne Lockwood: works. It measures radiation. Yeah. So I got to put radiation in me to get
Christian Elliot: healthier. I got to swallow a toxic heavy metal in order
Christian Elliot: to boost my health and find out how to heal. Maybe in the mri, they
Joanne Lockwood: ejected, I guess, another indicator into my. And you could feel it in the. In.
Joanne Lockwood: In your groin if it feels like you're wetting yourself. Yeah. So all of that.
Joanne Lockwood: Yeah, had all that. That's just. That's the system. And when you choose
Christian Elliot: to engage in the system, you can. You can't be angry that you get what
Christian Elliot: the system will offer you. That's all they're gonna offer. And if there is
Christian Elliot: a different path you could go, then it's kind of. It's. I hate to say
Christian Elliot: it's on you to find it. It's because they're not going to. Oh, like here.
Christian Elliot: Like, here's all the side effects and this is why it might not be good
Christian Elliot: for you. And here's some other ways you can heal, and that's. You go
Christian Elliot: to a chiropractor and ask them to promote that. They're not going to do it.
Christian Elliot: Go to a medical doctor and ask them to promote. Chiropractor. They're probably not going
Christian Elliot: to do that either, but both can be there. There's some merit somewhere in
Christian Elliot: there, and it's on you to find it and to recognise the risks
Christian Elliot: and the downstream effects of some of the things they're telling you to
Christian Elliot: do. Once you see that, you can't unsee it.
Christian Elliot: And then it's. Then it's personal responsibility and choice and so on
Christian Elliot: and so forth that gets in the mix of how you choose your healing path.
Christian Elliot: Yeah. I know enough people who have
Joanne Lockwood: used complementary alternative medicine, however you want to describe it. My
Joanne Lockwood: mum, for example, she was developing arthritis in her fingers and
Joanne Lockwood: other joints and she became a pescatarian. So she fit to be abandoned? Well,
Joanne Lockwood: she abandoned band of meat, red meat, white meat, whatever.
Joanne Lockwood: And she eats a lot of fish, oily fish. And I'm
Joanne Lockwood: not saying she hasn't gone in, hasn't reversed the effects of the,
Joanne Lockwood: the arthropod she had, but she's certainly now able to live more comfortably.
Joanne Lockwood: And I, and my mum also, we only drink
Joanne Lockwood: decaf coffee now because I realised what caffeine was doing to me. I've
Joanne Lockwood: abandoned alcohol and I'm, I think I mentioned to an agreement, I'm on
Joanne Lockwood: weight loss medication which may not be complementary alternative, but
Joanne Lockwood: I was six of a stone overweight. I need to get this off and then
Joanne Lockwood: I can start looking at my health in the future. Because a lot of things,
Joanne Lockwood: I think what's going on in my body at nearly 60 years old is
Joanne Lockwood: as a result of being significantly overweight for most of my life and having
Joanne Lockwood: a toxic relationship with alcohol. So taking some of that out of my body.
Joanne Lockwood: Yeah, and some of the, some of the slimming products is basically
Joanne Lockwood: sludge. Low fat food is basically sludge, isn't it? Well, yeah,
Christian Elliot: they have to chemical sludge. You take out fat and you have to satiate the
Christian Elliot: body with something else. And so they just put in fillers and starches
Christian Elliot: and things to try to replicate the enjoyment we get out of
Christian Elliot: fat. I would tell you confidently, fat is not your enemy. If you're getting good
Christian Elliot: fat, if you're getting vegetable oils or seed oils, trans
Christian Elliot: fats, that's rotting you from the inside, but good
Christian Elliot: coconut oil, olive oil, animal fats, butter, cheese, those are
Christian Elliot: great fats. And I would, I would
Christian Elliot: also argue good fats from red meat and healthy, you know,
Christian Elliot: pasture raised chickens and so on is also great. But yeah, nutrition's a whole. Another
Christian Elliot: long conversation perhaps, but that is, yeah, you
Christian Elliot: can, the more you clean up and reduce things like you talked about, you
Christian Elliot: take away some of the crummy foods, you take away the alcohol, you take away,
Christian Elliot: you get rid of some of the toxins that are just mucking up your
Christian Elliot: insides. Of course your body's gonna feel better, of course you're gonna lose weight because
Christian Elliot: you're, you're getting at the source of the problem. And toxins are stored in
Christian Elliot: fat cells. So if you're overweight, guess what, you have a toxicity problem. And that's
Christian Elliot: how you, you get rid of the toxins. Sure enough, you lose weight. It's weird
Christian Elliot: because your body, you can reduce your calories really low, but if you're still toxic,
Christian Elliot: the body can't let them out because it can't get them to the exit.
Christian Elliot: So reducing your calories, you wanna make. Sure the calories you are Consuming are good
Joanne Lockwood: calories. Correct, Nutritious calories. Yeah. You're not infected with
Christian Elliot: parasites that are eating all your food. For you, that's another conversation. So there's, there
Christian Elliot: are things that prevent good habits from bearing the fruit. They can. Then
Christian Elliot: once you get your head around the basics, it's so much easier to heal. Everything
Joanne Lockwood: you said, I'm buying into it. I completely. Yeah. I'm not saying I need to
Joanne Lockwood: persuade you, but I've already worked out in my own head that
Joanne Lockwood: she say chronic conditions, doctors
Joanne Lockwood: can't fix chronic conditions. They basically say, well, you're going to have to live with
Joanne Lockwood: it, you're going to have to sort of deal with it. You know, there's no
Joanne Lockwood: pill, there's no medicine, it just is. Yeah, yeah. You say, if I'm
Joanne Lockwood: in A and E, bad trauma, I've got something really seriously broken, it's
Joanne Lockwood: life threatening. Yeah, you're right. They fix it chronic. A scratch of their heads, they're
Joanne Lockwood: prodding and they say, try this, try that, see what happens. But how, how do
Joanne Lockwood: we take everything you're saying and
Joanne Lockwood: rebrand alternative or complementary in the
Joanne Lockwood: mainstream and push against the tide of the
Joanne Lockwood: pharma industry, the medical model, all the things you've been talking about,
Joanne Lockwood: how do we create that change in people's minds? I don't know a better way
Christian Elliot: than education. And it occurred to me many years ago
Christian Elliot: that fighting the systems, probably it's like punching the wind. I get me mad at
Christian Elliot: it or I can just go to work and try to build a better model.
Christian Elliot: And so that's really what I've been about. And the way that we choke
Christian Elliot: out this, let's just say destructive way of approaching health is just not
Christian Elliot: spend our money on it and not spend our time on it. We feed it
Christian Elliot: by going to it. Well, what if we stop? Like if everyone stopped
Christian Elliot: using your public health system, the doctors will go out of
Christian Elliot: business, there's nobody to treat and so I don't think we're going to get there
Christian Elliot: tomorrow. But as more of us just say, I opt out, I'm not going to
Christian Elliot: participate in this system, it loses its life force. So I
Christian Elliot: think we just demonstrate a better model by saying, I'm going to take ownership of
Christian Elliot: my health, I can't make sense of poison my way back to health.
Christian Elliot: So let me just level up my food, my habits and my
Christian Elliot: inputs and sure enough, that's where health is
Christian Elliot: found. And it's very attractive because it's life giving and it feels good and it's,
Christian Elliot: you get Back in control of your own mood and your own energy and your
Christian Elliot: temperature and all the other things that have been taken from you by continuing to
Christian Elliot: participate in that system. So the short answers are educate yourself
Christian Elliot: and opt out. You can't necessarily in your system opt out of paying the
Christian Elliot: taxes that for a system you're no longer going to use. But what
Christian Elliot: you can do is just, oh, well, that's the system I'm in. Almost like a
Christian Elliot: write off, like, well, at least I don't have to engage it. And we did
Christian Elliot: that with public school system. Like I just can't envision sending my kid to
Christian Elliot: institutionalised education that doesn't meet the needs of my
Christian Elliot: kids. It's. They're, they're individuals, not lemmings and they have the
Christian Elliot: most robust social life of any kids I know. And they're the most well adjusted
Christian Elliot: kids I know because, oh well, we pay taxes to that keeps
Christian Elliot: that system going. But that doesn't mean I have to participate. So same thing
Christian Elliot: with healthcare. Educate yourself and opt out. That's really how you do it. It's
Joanne Lockwood: been an absolutely fascinating conversation for the last hour and a bit before the
Joanne Lockwood: greenery and I'd love to catch up with you and talk about the
Joanne Lockwood: dietary side as well as well as the pharmaceutical side at some point in the
Joanne Lockwood: future. So how can people get a hold of you? I'm sure people are really
Joanne Lockwood: keen to read more about your work and your programmes and things. Well,
Christian Elliot: thank you so much for the kind words and I'd be honoured. So the couple
Christian Elliot: of easiest places to get a hold of me. So I do have a blog
Christian Elliot: and a podcast called Deconstructing Conventional. So I've given
Christian Elliot: my best pearls and I continue to learn and I'll continue to pump out shows.
Christian Elliot: But if you want to go deeper into nutrition and so many other topics, I
Christian Elliot: have podcast episodes on many of these things and some fascinating interviews as well.
Christian Elliot: It's called Deconstructing Conventional because it started with the idea of like, can we deconstruct
Christian Elliot: how we came to call this model of healthcare conventional? So episode two
Christian Elliot: just lays out some of the history of that. So you can cheque out the
Christian Elliot: show on pretty much anywhere you find podcasts Deconstructing conventional. And I also
Christian Elliot: have the collaboration I'm a part of right now is called Healing United,
Christian Elliot: which is myself and other doctors and coaches who really look at health
Christian Elliot: holistically. We're building the model to replace. We're the rebel Renaissance, if you will, to
Christian Elliot: replace that just by saying you guys get to pick. We think this works better.
Christian Elliot: And so our main focus is on two things. It's purifying the body and nourishing
Christian Elliot: it. It's on taking out the toxic load and nourishing the body back to health.
Christian Elliot: So you can find out more about that in our detox programmes at healing
Christian Elliot: united today. Instead of.com we picked dot
Christian Elliot: today. Just we want a sense of urgency. Let's. Let's get on with it already.
Christian Elliot: There's a better way to do this. So healingunited today, you can request a
Christian Elliot: consultation or you can just enjoy some of our free content and find the podcast
Christian Elliot: there as well. Awesome. I'll put all of those details in the show notes below.
Joanne Lockwood: So, yeah, it's pass that. So Christian, thank
Joanne Lockwood: you. Thank you. It's been great being here. As
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