WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:11.320 Welcome to Inclusion Bites, your sanctuary 2 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:15.200 for bold conversations that spark change. I'm Joanne Lockwood, 3 00:00:15.200 --> 00:00:18.720 your guide on this journey of exploration into the heart of 4 00:00:18.720 --> 00:00:22.640 inclusion, belonging and societal transformation. 5 00:00:23.120 --> 00:00:27.040 Ever wondered what it truly takes to create a world? Remember, everyone 6 00:00:27.040 --> 00:00:30.760 not only belongs, but thrives. You're not alone. 7 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:35.200 Join me as we uncover the unseen, challenge 8 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:38.760 the status quo and share stories that resonate 9 00:00:38.760 --> 00:00:42.480 deep within. Ready to dive in? Whether you're 10 00:00:42.480 --> 00:00:46.400 sipping your morning coffee or winding down after a long day, let's 11 00:00:46.400 --> 00:00:50.360 connect, reflect and inspire action together. 12 00:00:51.080 --> 00:00:54.870 Don't forget, you can be part of the conversation too. Reach out 13 00:00:54.870 --> 00:00:58.670 to jo.lockwood@seechangehappen.co.uk 14 00:00:59.070 --> 00:01:02.590 to share your insights or to join me on the show. 15 00:01:03.470 --> 00:01:07.230 So adjust your earbuds and settle in. It's time to 16 00:01:07.230 --> 00:01:10.830 ignite the spark of inclusion with Inclusion Bites. 17 00:01:14.670 --> 00:01:18.280 And today is episode 164 with the 18 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:21.560 title Harnessing Humanity for Success. 19 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:25.800 I have the absolute honour and privilege to welcome Bhavesh 20 00:01:25.800 --> 00:01:29.400 Naik. Bhavesh is a business performance and longevity 21 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:33.160 expert who helps leaders build thriving, resilient 22 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:37.640 organisations by embracing the humanness of their people. 23 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:42.240 And when I asked Bhavesh to describe his superpower, he said it 24 00:01:42.240 --> 00:01:46.080 is that he brings a deeply realised sense of self 25 00:01:46.080 --> 00:01:49.900 awareness, leadership and organisational success. Hello, Bhavesh. 26 00:01:49.900 --> 00:01:53.540 Welcome to the show. Thank you so much, Joanne, for having me. 27 00:01:54.260 --> 00:01:58.020 Glad to see you. That's a pleasure. So you're based Washington, is it? If I 28 00:01:58.020 --> 00:02:01.740 remember rightly, I'm Outside of Washington D.C. about 10 29 00:02:01.740 --> 00:02:05.660 miles north, northwest, so I'm in Montgomery 30 00:02:05.660 --> 00:02:09.420 county for those who might be familiar with the area 31 00:02:09.420 --> 00:02:13.380 here. Fantastic. Outside, is it like out there 32 00:02:13.380 --> 00:02:16.980 at the moment? So we're in February, aren't we? Is it cold? 33 00:02:17.140 --> 00:02:21.070 You get icy breezes. It gets cold, yes. Right now today 34 00:02:21.070 --> 00:02:24.990 is probably 20 degrees Fahrenheit and I don't 35 00:02:24.990 --> 00:02:28.990 know what that translates into. Incentigrade, that is definitely below zero, but it might be 36 00:02:28.990 --> 00:02:32.910 like 5, 10 degrees below zero. And that, that's pretty, pretty normal for us, 37 00:02:33.550 --> 00:02:36.510 you know, this time of the year. So it's, you know. Right. Winter is about 38 00:02:36.510 --> 00:02:40.510 to be over, hopefully. But it's cold, luckily. We used to have 39 00:02:40.510 --> 00:02:44.030 some storms like really bad snowstorms 5 years, 10 years ago, 40 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:48.360 but we haven't had those for a while. So that's some good news. And I 41 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:51.800 don't know if that's good news or bad news because I know. So it's just 42 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:55.720 cold. There's no strong winds and pouring rain and snow. It's just 43 00:02:55.720 --> 00:02:59.640 cold. That's true. Yeah, yeah, it's just cold. Bit like going skiing. It's just 44 00:02:59.640 --> 00:03:03.320 cold. It's not. It's nice sun, but cold. Exactly, 45 00:03:03.320 --> 00:03:07.320 exactly, yeah, Cold, yeah. As we're saying, when I read out the 46 00:03:07.320 --> 00:03:11.320 introduction just now, you believe in self awareness and I'm a great 47 00:03:11.700 --> 00:03:15.300 believer in emotional intelligence and being self. Aware. So 48 00:03:15.780 --> 00:03:19.260 how does that manifest itself for you in high performing 49 00:03:19.260 --> 00:03:22.980 workplaces or what got you into the work you're doing 50 00:03:22.980 --> 00:03:26.860 now? Yeah, so self awareness and I, if I can go back a 51 00:03:26.860 --> 00:03:30.540 little bit. So self awareness to me is, first of all, 52 00:03:30.540 --> 00:03:34.100 it's just terminology, views, it's not even a belief to me. 53 00:03:34.820 --> 00:03:37.860 It is an experience of being in a certain way, 54 00:03:38.950 --> 00:03:42.470 if that makes sense. So self awareness. So if 55 00:03:42.630 --> 00:03:46.430 someone googled self awareness, right, There will be a 56 00:03:46.430 --> 00:03:50.030 definition that Google spits out which would be some version of, okay, being aware of 57 00:03:50.030 --> 00:03:53.910 your strengths and weaknesses. Now that's a very intellectualised version of that. I don't know 58 00:03:53.910 --> 00:03:57.870 where that comes from, but when I talk about self awareness, self 59 00:03:57.870 --> 00:04:01.550 awareness to me is more of the classic definition or more of a common sense, 60 00:04:01.550 --> 00:04:05.160 the literal definition of self awareness, which is self aware 61 00:04:05.320 --> 00:04:09.120 awareness of the self. So self is here, this person right 62 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:12.920 here speaking to you and being aware of this person 63 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:17.320 and all his surroundings, right? So. And I like to do this, 64 00:04:17.560 --> 00:04:20.960 a bit of an experiment and I want to do this with you if you're 65 00:04:20.960 --> 00:04:23.880 game. Joanne, can we do that a little bit? Yeah, yeah, let's go for it. 66 00:04:23.880 --> 00:04:27.760 Yeah. So just to kind of prove a point, I like to show rather than 67 00:04:27.760 --> 00:04:31.600 tell because you can use a lot of words, but when you so and 68 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:35.390 our listeners can follow along with us, here I am talking to 69 00:04:35.390 --> 00:04:39.030 you. This is my perspective, this person right here, right? 70 00:04:39.270 --> 00:04:43.230 And I have my internal experience, right? My thoughts and feelings and 71 00:04:43.230 --> 00:04:47.190 all of those things. And then I have my senses, right? So I'm interacting 72 00:04:47.190 --> 00:04:50.950 with the outside. So there's sounds and you know, sights and 73 00:04:50.950 --> 00:04:54.710 you know, pictures and all the other senses. Like we have five senses. 74 00:04:54.710 --> 00:04:58.390 So there's this person talking to you and then there is you. 75 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:03.120 So there is your perspective. You're talking from there or you 76 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:07.000 seeing out from that side right now for both 77 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:10.880 of us there's also, if you know, we have this ability as 78 00:05:10.880 --> 00:05:14.800 humans to be able to see ourselves doing 79 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:18.560 whatever it is that we're doing so we can bring an awareness 80 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:22.280 to this person. It's almost like you're coming out of the body and looking at 81 00:05:22.280 --> 00:05:26.240 ourselves, but not looking at ourselves, just feeling ourselves. So 82 00:05:26.880 --> 00:05:30.720 like playing a video game where you're controlling your first person shooter, you're 83 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:34.680 controlling your character on the screen from above rather than being through the 84 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:38.160 eyes. You're exactly an aerial view. Yeah. Now experience. 85 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:42.400 Do you feel that a little bit? Yeah, sometimes, yeah, yeah, yeah. So 86 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:46.440 it's in this moment, right here, right now. So we're 87 00:05:46.440 --> 00:05:50.440 having this conversation, right? And I'm speaking to you, and yet 88 00:05:50.440 --> 00:05:53.630 there is a faculty here that allows me to 89 00:05:54.190 --> 00:05:57.990 observe me speaking to you, having this interaction with 90 00:05:57.990 --> 00:06:01.790 you. Yeah, I can snap my mind into that. Yeah. It's not default. 91 00:06:01.790 --> 00:06:05.790 Yeah, I can. It's not default. Yes. Yeah, but you can get 92 00:06:05.790 --> 00:06:09.670 into that. And did you get into it? I can see myself in the corner 93 00:06:09.670 --> 00:06:12.230 of the room over there and see me at the desk. I can do that. 94 00:06:12.230 --> 00:06:16.110 Yeah. Okay. Right. And you're using the intellect a little 95 00:06:16.110 --> 00:06:19.950 bit and it's even easier than that or it's even simpler than that. But 96 00:06:20.030 --> 00:06:23.720 we can't do it because. Because we've been trained not to do it. 97 00:06:24.280 --> 00:06:28.200 The children are very much like that, right. When they are toddlers, they 98 00:06:28.200 --> 00:06:32.120 are leaving that state and then our intellect pulls us out of it. 99 00:06:32.200 --> 00:06:36.160 So that is the self awareness that I'm speaking of. And when 100 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:40.160 I talk about self awareness, the realised sense of self 101 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:44.080 awareness, and that's a key word, right. It's not just intellectualised sense of 102 00:06:44.080 --> 00:06:47.800 self awareness, it's just being here and experiencing it here. 103 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:51.680 And I'm here most of the time just observing 104 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:55.920 whatever this person is doing right now. I go in and out of it, 105 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:59.680 but I'm probably there 60, 70% of the time when I'm awake. And 106 00:07:00.320 --> 00:07:03.480 that's a wonderful way of being because we can talk about that if you want, 107 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:07.040 but that's. So that is an important 108 00:07:07.200 --> 00:07:11.040 thing for me to talk about because that 109 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:14.920 is an agent through which in my work, I 110 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:18.850 think transformation can happen within organisation, within teams, 111 00:07:18.850 --> 00:07:22.570 within ourselves. I'm just trying to create a metaphor for my own, my own thinking. 112 00:07:22.570 --> 00:07:26.490 So what we're really doing is by stepping back and 113 00:07:26.490 --> 00:07:30.050 observing ourselves, we're taking a additional level of 114 00:07:30.050 --> 00:07:33.770 responsibility for the actions you're taking because you're observing those 115 00:07:33.770 --> 00:07:37.370 actions in real time, not just being in the action. 116 00:07:37.930 --> 00:07:41.800 Exactly. Right, Right. Yeah. Sometimes. Sometimes we talk about this gift 117 00:07:41.950 --> 00:07:45.670 gap between an action and reaction. So something 118 00:07:45.670 --> 00:07:49.070 happens and we react to it. Right. 119 00:07:50.510 --> 00:07:54.430 So that gap between something happening and we reacting, that gap, 120 00:07:55.710 --> 00:07:59.590 you can call that self awareness. Right. So, yeah, exactly what 121 00:07:59.590 --> 00:08:02.670 you're saying. I'm. I'm kind of saying the same thing in a different, slightly different 122 00:08:02.670 --> 00:08:06.670 way. And that is a very powerful way of being. 123 00:08:06.830 --> 00:08:10.110 And there are other connotations of that. You know, for example, that's a very happy 124 00:08:10.110 --> 00:08:14.110 place. That's where happiness is. Because this is why children are so happy most 125 00:08:14.110 --> 00:08:17.790 of the time. Right? Okay. Yeah, yeah. 126 00:08:18.270 --> 00:08:21.990 I think I'm more aware of that modality of thinking. When 127 00:08:21.990 --> 00:08:25.310 I'm planning or imagining 128 00:08:25.870 --> 00:08:29.390 what I'm doing tomorrow, or if I'm trying to 129 00:08:29.470 --> 00:08:33.390 sequence a project or an outcome, I'll be 130 00:08:33.390 --> 00:08:37.310 thinking of me as an avatar computer game navigating the 131 00:08:37.310 --> 00:08:40.740 world. And I'm saying, okay, so I'm going to get on the train. I'll see 132 00:08:40.740 --> 00:08:44.380 myself getting on the train and I'll be interacting with people. I'll be having conversations, 133 00:08:44.700 --> 00:08:48.660 I suppose, more in the future tense. I'm planning my life and my 134 00:08:48.660 --> 00:08:52.380 next. What I'm doing through that remote control 135 00:08:52.380 --> 00:08:56.380 avatar, if you like. Sure, sure. Probably less so in the moment. 136 00:08:57.100 --> 00:09:01.100 Okay, yeah, yeah, I get that. Yeah, yeah. And 137 00:09:01.340 --> 00:09:05.070 doing it in the moment is. It takes a little bit of 138 00:09:05.070 --> 00:09:07.510 practise, but if you come to it again and again and again, 139 00:09:11.270 --> 00:09:15.190 you may feel a certain sense of, like, relaxation. So another way 140 00:09:15.190 --> 00:09:19.110 of looking at this is being in the zone, being in the flow. So 141 00:09:19.110 --> 00:09:22.550 when people who play sports, when they are. 142 00:09:23.590 --> 00:09:27.350 They get into the zone, and when they're into the zone, they're not 143 00:09:27.430 --> 00:09:30.550 processing, they're not strategizing, they're not planning, they're not thinking, 144 00:09:31.520 --> 00:09:34.320 they're just doing what they need to do. Now, there is an aspect of skill. 145 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:38.200 You know, they've developed certain skills, right. But they're 146 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:41.920 not thinking about, okay, you know, if. If I'm. If I'm shooting 147 00:09:42.160 --> 00:09:46.080 a basketball, right, they're not thinking, they're not strategizing, 148 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:49.960 they're just doing it. Right. So. So that makes them. Because if I 149 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:53.440 am strategizing in that moment, if I am practising, 150 00:09:53.680 --> 00:09:57.440 right, then I'm not as effective as I would be if I was 151 00:09:57.600 --> 00:10:01.340 just being in the moment. And so then if you're going 152 00:10:01.340 --> 00:10:05.220 into automatic mode, it's. Yeah. When you. When you 153 00:10:05.220 --> 00:10:09.140 develop a new skill, from my understanding, is that you would. First of all, you'd 154 00:10:09.140 --> 00:10:12.420 be very conscious of what you were trying to do. Right. And then you end 155 00:10:12.420 --> 00:10:16.060 up. You then end up with a dip in performance. All right? And then you 156 00:10:16.060 --> 00:10:19.780 break through that and then you become better because it becomes embedded in your. In 157 00:10:19.780 --> 00:10:21.340 your subconscious. It becomes. Sure. 158 00:10:23.100 --> 00:10:26.950 Absolutely, yeah. Bit like driving a car. How often do you come home 159 00:10:26.950 --> 00:10:30.150 from work and you don't realise how you got home? You think, oh, did I 160 00:10:30.550 --> 00:10:33.030 Did I, did I stop at that red light? Did I see that red light? 161 00:10:33.350 --> 00:10:36.950 Well, you must have done because you're not conscious about that journey. 162 00:10:37.110 --> 00:10:41.069 Exactly, exactly, exactly. And that's an excellent 163 00:10:41.069 --> 00:10:44.830 example, driving, because that's a skill that most of us have really mastered. 164 00:10:44.830 --> 00:10:48.670 So once you master a skill, then you go into a zone. Sometimes it's 165 00:10:48.670 --> 00:10:51.960 called the state of being in a flow. Right. 166 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:56.280 Where the activity is happening and your mind is 167 00:10:56.280 --> 00:11:00.280 engaged. Because your mind is engaged, this person here can just kind of 168 00:11:00.280 --> 00:11:04.160 step back and do other things. Now we tend to do a lot of 169 00:11:04.160 --> 00:11:08.120 thinking because we are thinking people and we have been trained to think all 170 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:12.040 the time. But if you can let that thinking quiet down a little bit, 171 00:11:12.280 --> 00:11:16.280 you can just be, just be present, you can just be in that 172 00:11:16.280 --> 00:11:20.270 moment. Right, so like it's right 173 00:11:20.270 --> 00:11:23.990 this, right this moment. Right, so if I, if I asked you this question, Joanne, 174 00:11:23.990 --> 00:11:27.990 are you aware right now? No. Right, but. So when you say right 175 00:11:27.990 --> 00:11:30.990 now. No. Right, but there was a pause. I said, are you aware? 176 00:11:31.950 --> 00:11:35.910 I had to test, I had to test myself and evaluate in my head whether 177 00:11:35.910 --> 00:11:39.590 I was or wasn't and came to the conclusion, no, I'm in the moment right 178 00:11:39.590 --> 00:11:43.260 now because I'm focused on the conversation. Yeah. 179 00:11:43.660 --> 00:11:47.660 What we're going to talk about next, the, the flow of the podcast. I'm 180 00:11:47.660 --> 00:11:51.420 more in active thinking about what we're doing mode 181 00:11:51.420 --> 00:11:55.380 rather than observing, if you like. Let me, let me ask you a different 182 00:11:55.380 --> 00:11:59.380 way. Are you conscious right now? Because you weren't when 183 00:11:59.380 --> 00:12:02.940 you were sleeping at night. I'm awake. I'm conscious. I've, I've, 184 00:12:02.940 --> 00:12:06.780 I've got decision making power. Yeah. Right, so then if I 185 00:12:06.780 --> 00:12:10.680 ask you again this question. Pause for a bit. Are you conscious? 186 00:12:10.680 --> 00:12:14.640 Yeah, I've conscious, yeah. Okay, so you went to some place before answering 187 00:12:14.640 --> 00:12:18.560 that question. Are you conscious? You went to that place called 188 00:12:18.560 --> 00:12:22.560 consciousness. That's an experiential thing. It's not intellectual. So there's 189 00:12:22.560 --> 00:12:25.920 a gap there that you went to and then you said, 190 00:12:26.800 --> 00:12:30.720 yes, I'm conscious. That is the awareness. So it's 191 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:34.240 a different name for it. Awareness of consciousness. That's the consciousness. 192 00:12:34.640 --> 00:12:38.410 And, and it's beyond. The reason why I'm kind of getting a little bit 193 00:12:38.890 --> 00:12:41.850 down into this is because this is key. 194 00:12:42.650 --> 00:12:46.570 It is so central to everything that I talk about in my work 195 00:12:46.570 --> 00:12:50.490 with organisations and people and teams and things like that. So 196 00:12:50.490 --> 00:12:54.090 this is the agent, it's beyond intellect, it's outside of 197 00:12:54.170 --> 00:12:58.090 intellect and processing. Okay, so we've got the 198 00:12:58.170 --> 00:13:01.770 multi state of mindsets. We've got, as you say, we've got the, 199 00:13:02.860 --> 00:13:05.340 the self aware looking down on you, 200 00:13:06.540 --> 00:13:10.460 able to influence the world around and direct you in different 201 00:13:10.460 --> 00:13:14.420 directions. You've got the heavily engaged in autonomous mode where 202 00:13:14.420 --> 00:13:17.820 we're just doing what we do. Right. How do we, 203 00:13:18.620 --> 00:13:22.620 how can we use those different states to our advantage then? Right. 204 00:13:22.700 --> 00:13:26.460 It depends on which situation we're talking about. Right. 205 00:13:26.460 --> 00:13:30.430 So for example, there's an aspect of this called the situational awareness, 206 00:13:31.140 --> 00:13:34.860 which is if I'm just walking down the street, just kind of being aware of 207 00:13:34.860 --> 00:13:38.860 my surroundings, that's one kind of awareness. Right. So it 208 00:13:38.860 --> 00:13:42.780 gives me safety, it allows me to feel, you know, 209 00:13:42.780 --> 00:13:46.779 out and, you know, be aware of things that may be not quite right 210 00:13:46.779 --> 00:13:50.340 around me. And then I would make a notice of that and then I would 211 00:13:50.900 --> 00:13:54.700 act appropriately. Maybe I change my direction, go someplace else, or 212 00:13:54.700 --> 00:13:57.820 if it happens to be a friend who is approaching me, then I would walk 213 00:13:57.820 --> 00:14:01.670 up to that person and say hello, things like that. So, so that's one 214 00:14:01.670 --> 00:14:04.590 example. But then depending on different situations, 215 00:14:05.550 --> 00:14:09.150 this can become a handy tool. So like for when we talked about 216 00:14:09.150 --> 00:14:13.030 sports, being in a meeting, being in a sales call, being 217 00:14:13.030 --> 00:14:16.950 in negotiations, being talking to 218 00:14:16.950 --> 00:14:20.830 a manager, talking to an employee, having a team 219 00:14:20.830 --> 00:14:24.710 meeting, having workshops, what we're having right now for this conversation right 220 00:14:24.710 --> 00:14:27.870 now, I think that conversations like this become more 221 00:14:28.350 --> 00:14:31.950 powerful when we play from this. Because 222 00:14:32.270 --> 00:14:36.110 what needs to come out, what needs to happen in this moment, the 223 00:14:36.270 --> 00:14:39.310 right words. And we've been in that zone. I'm sure you've been in that zone 224 00:14:39.310 --> 00:14:43.110 because you do this a lot, right. Where. Right. Questions just come 225 00:14:43.110 --> 00:14:46.670 out of the moment and say, aha, let me ask him this. 226 00:14:47.470 --> 00:14:51.310 Right. So. And that's a very effective way of 227 00:14:51.310 --> 00:14:54.950 just being. So let me just try and explain the metaphor that's going around in 228 00:14:54.950 --> 00:14:58.870 my head. So we have, I think you used 229 00:14:58.870 --> 00:15:02.870 the word agents earlier. So we've got. And maybe 230 00:15:02.870 --> 00:15:06.790 even I'll bring another word in. Sensors. Yeah, we've got these agents 231 00:15:06.790 --> 00:15:09.750 and sensors. You know, you talked about your threat analysis 232 00:15:10.310 --> 00:15:14.310 sensor and you've, you've got some bit of your brain that's checking on 233 00:15:14.310 --> 00:15:18.110 that sensor. Occasionally we've got another one that's checking in on the conversation 234 00:15:18.110 --> 00:15:21.670 sensor ahead of us. We're having a communication with somebody or we've got our, 235 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:25.560 our hunger sense or sense of direction. So we've got, our brain is going around 236 00:15:25.560 --> 00:15:29.280 all these different inputs to ourselves and 237 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:33.200 generally we're not aware of them. But what you're saying is we're trying to become 238 00:15:33.680 --> 00:15:37.680 more aware. Exactly. Of these specific interactions we're 239 00:15:37.680 --> 00:15:41.520 having with the world and not just treating them as in the flow, 240 00:15:41.680 --> 00:15:45.520 we're being aware rather than just being in the flow. Yes, 241 00:15:45.520 --> 00:15:48.640 yeah, yeah, right. There is this term called 242 00:15:50.180 --> 00:15:53.780 neuro linguistic programming. I'm sure you've heard that term, right? Neuro linguistic nlp. 243 00:15:54.660 --> 00:15:58.620 Yeah, I have a bit of a take on that, right? An 244 00:15:58.620 --> 00:16:02.460 interpretation of that. I like that term. And it means certain things to 245 00:16:02.460 --> 00:16:06.420 certain people, right? There are practitioners of nlp, but if you break down 246 00:16:06.580 --> 00:16:10.460 that term, neuro linguistic programming, right? So 247 00:16:10.460 --> 00:16:14.420 neuro is neural network, right? We are receiving bits and bytes 248 00:16:14.420 --> 00:16:18.330 of information right into this, into this instrument, right? And 249 00:16:18.330 --> 00:16:22.050 we happen to have five senses, right? So from the external 250 00:16:22.050 --> 00:16:25.770 sources and then the linguistics. So we call it. 251 00:16:26.570 --> 00:16:30.570 The linguistic part is the labels. So basically language is 252 00:16:30.570 --> 00:16:34.530 series of labels. So we have thoughts, conceptualization and 253 00:16:34.530 --> 00:16:38.290 we have labels and ideas and those are connected 254 00:16:38.290 --> 00:16:41.370 together, right? Words, sentences, paragraphs. 255 00:16:42.250 --> 00:16:46.210 So with those we attach meaning to what's happening. So all 256 00:16:46.210 --> 00:16:49.970 these inputs coming in, because the input coming in is just bits and bytes of 257 00:16:49.970 --> 00:16:53.930 information. We're using computer terminology, right? So by the 258 00:16:53.930 --> 00:16:57.729 way, BFM aside, computer was actually made 259 00:16:57.729 --> 00:17:01.490 after people looked at the human body. So computer 260 00:17:01.490 --> 00:17:05.450 is the replica or a copy of what humans can 261 00:17:05.450 --> 00:17:09.050 do, right? But now we live in computers, 262 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:13.440 you know, we live in this age where we're so surrounded by them that 263 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:17.160 we look at them as a way to look at ourselves. 264 00:17:17.560 --> 00:17:21.240 So anyway, bits and bytes of information, linguistic, right? 265 00:17:21.320 --> 00:17:25.319 So language, so that gives it meaning. So if there is a loud 266 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:29.280 sound coming from that corner over there right now, all of a sudden I 267 00:17:29.280 --> 00:17:33.160 would basically look at that because there is some circuitry here 268 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:37.900 that attached a meaning to that, right? 269 00:17:38.380 --> 00:17:42.380 That there's a thread there. And I looked up, right? So that is 270 00:17:42.380 --> 00:17:46.340 the linguistic portion of that. And programming is. I react like 271 00:17:46.340 --> 00:17:49.420 that in that fraction of a second because I'm programmed to do it. 272 00:17:50.460 --> 00:17:54.020 So that's the neuro linguistic programming. So that's one way of looking at it. I 273 00:17:54.020 --> 00:17:57.900 happen to. So this self awareness, I happen 274 00:17:57.900 --> 00:18:01.180 to see that self awareness in seven dimensions. 275 00:18:02.820 --> 00:18:05.860 We talked about in the introduction. We talked about being human right 276 00:18:06.820 --> 00:18:09.980 now. So one question that often comes up is what does it mean to be 277 00:18:09.980 --> 00:18:13.900 human? And we have basically said 278 00:18:13.900 --> 00:18:16.660 for ages that being human means being rational. 279 00:18:17.940 --> 00:18:21.220 This is how we are different from the animals. We are rational people. 280 00:18:21.780 --> 00:18:24.260 Animals don't have that rational capacity. 281 00:18:25.860 --> 00:18:29.670 And that's true. Chimpanzees and some of the other things 282 00:18:29.670 --> 00:18:33.670 that other animals, they do. There is 283 00:18:33.670 --> 00:18:37.670 some truth to that. But what I Like to say is that, and I 284 00:18:37.670 --> 00:18:41.550 think this has been talked about before where 285 00:18:41.550 --> 00:18:45.270 it's the awareness, the fact that we are aware of this 286 00:18:45.270 --> 00:18:48.670 person, me being me, us being able to look at ourselves 287 00:18:49.230 --> 00:18:53.190 as a third party. Our language is like 288 00:18:53.190 --> 00:18:56.500 that, you know, some there's a word called I and there is called word called 289 00:18:56.500 --> 00:19:00.060 me. I is me, the subjective person, me. This 290 00:19:00.060 --> 00:19:03.860 happened to me as like a third party. So that's like an 291 00:19:03.860 --> 00:19:07.780 object in a way, right? So what makes us human actually 292 00:19:07.780 --> 00:19:10.060 is our self awareness as far as we know. 293 00:19:12.060 --> 00:19:15.420 Yes, cause and effect. Seeing your reflection, 294 00:19:15.820 --> 00:19:19.780 knowing it's you, how you interact in the world, that's kind of all that stuff 295 00:19:19.780 --> 00:19:23.650 that separates us from beings that aren't self aware. Yeah, 296 00:19:23.650 --> 00:19:27.130 exactly. And that's what allows us to even teach children something. 297 00:19:28.170 --> 00:19:32.090 I don't know if you, in England you say this rhyme, 298 00:19:32.090 --> 00:19:35.890 head and shoulder, knees and toes, right? So a child is 299 00:19:35.890 --> 00:19:39.890 growing up and we kind of say well this Right, exactly. So if the 300 00:19:39.890 --> 00:19:43.730 child wasn't self awareness self aware, we wouldn't be able to teach 301 00:19:43.730 --> 00:19:47.730 them this. Right? Because we're bringing their awareness to themselves. We're teaching 302 00:19:47.730 --> 00:19:51.470 them self awareness. They were all very self aware but we kind of bringing 303 00:19:51.470 --> 00:19:55.150 the linguistic and rational aspect to that. So being human, self 304 00:19:55.150 --> 00:19:59.070 awareness is what makes us human. And I look at that awareness 305 00:19:59.390 --> 00:20:02.910 manifesting in seven different ways. 306 00:20:04.510 --> 00:20:08.510 So and another important thing, this is also how we are different from 307 00:20:08.750 --> 00:20:12.590 AI or artificial intelligence or general AGI. 308 00:20:12.590 --> 00:20:16.590 Artificial general intelligence. So and 309 00:20:16.590 --> 00:20:20.310 this is important to kind of understand. I watch a lot of YouTube 310 00:20:20.310 --> 00:20:24.230 videos by very smart people, but they don't talk about this. They're saying 311 00:20:24.230 --> 00:20:28.190 that, okay, you know, computers are becoming very smart and we are programming, redoing 312 00:20:28.190 --> 00:20:32.110 this data modelling and you know, we are collecting all of this information and 313 00:20:32.110 --> 00:20:35.070 retraining our models to think. 314 00:20:35.870 --> 00:20:39.510 They're not really thinking, they're just processing data. Right. The 315 00:20:39.510 --> 00:20:43.510 meaning is given by us because we are the ones with the self awareness. So 316 00:20:43.510 --> 00:20:47.470 ChatGPT is gonna put some things together, right? But it doesn't understand 317 00:20:47.630 --> 00:20:51.630 the meaning of it. It's the reader who's reading it who's gonna bring 318 00:20:51.630 --> 00:20:55.310 meaning to it. Right? And that's the definition of being a human. 319 00:20:55.790 --> 00:20:59.030 So there's some hope for us. The machines are really not gonna take over. They 320 00:20:59.030 --> 00:21:02.990 could, but they're programmed. Only if they're programmed to do it. Isn't the difference 321 00:21:03.150 --> 00:21:06.870 really? Even though quantum computing, all these computing 322 00:21:06.870 --> 00:21:10.550 advances we, we've had over the last 100 years, whatever it may be, 323 00:21:11.030 --> 00:21:15.030 the difference really is our brain is Just a better computer at certain 324 00:21:15.030 --> 00:21:18.590 tasks. Yeah, AI, quantum 325 00:21:18.590 --> 00:21:21.990 computing, whatever. We want to talk about that. The machine computers 326 00:21:22.550 --> 00:21:26.550 are really good at ones and zeros and sequencing 327 00:21:26.550 --> 00:21:30.110 and those sort of things. What they're not trained on is you say 328 00:21:30.110 --> 00:21:34.070 sentience. Our brain is just a more evolved 329 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:38.640 bit of flesh that enables us to be specialists in that, in that area. Which 330 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:42.160 is why we know, yeah, we're not all good at mathematics in our head. But 331 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:45.320 a computer is so different things. So could AI 332 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:50.839 machine based computers eventually develop 333 00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:54.040 matrices like our brains? What's to stop them? 334 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:58.640 Yeah, that's a good question. So if I go back a little bit. So have 335 00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:02.620 you ever had dealt with. There is a problem that you're trying to work out 336 00:22:02.620 --> 00:22:06.620 in your head, right. And you can't figure it out and you 337 00:22:06.620 --> 00:22:10.380 went for a walk and you engaged doing something else or you were just 338 00:22:10.380 --> 00:22:13.660 walking or doing something else and all of a sudden the solution drops in your 339 00:22:13.660 --> 00:22:17.060 head. Has that ever happened? Oh, it happens all the time. 340 00:22:17.780 --> 00:22:21.460 I trust my brain to do that. Sometimes I will deliberately. 341 00:22:22.260 --> 00:22:26.220 If I can't find something, I need to solve something. I know if I 342 00:22:26.220 --> 00:22:30.040 put it on a shelf in my head, I'll wake up one day or something 343 00:22:30.040 --> 00:22:33.080 will happen. I go, ah, got it, there it is. And I don't sweat it. 344 00:22:33.080 --> 00:22:36.920 So I know I trust my brain to solve that equation at some point. If 345 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:39.160 I leave it on the, on the back burner. Yeah. 346 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:44.960 So I want to go back and preface something. Everything 347 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:48.800 that I propose is for examination. So no belief system here, 348 00:22:48.800 --> 00:22:52.440 Right. So I would highly encourage people to 349 00:22:52.520 --> 00:22:56.350 know, listeners to take what I'm saying 350 00:22:57.630 --> 00:23:01.550 for checking. Don't, don't buy what I'm saying as a belief 351 00:23:01.550 --> 00:23:05.390 system or a dogma. Right. This guy's saying it, so it must be true. 352 00:23:05.630 --> 00:23:09.469 Don't do that. So with that I would say that the brain. 353 00:23:09.469 --> 00:23:13.230 Right. So then this goes into some pretty fundamental existential 354 00:23:13.230 --> 00:23:17.110 questions. Right. If the brain is wired 355 00:23:17.110 --> 00:23:21.000 that way to get these answers, who 356 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:24.960 did it? Right. This is a very fundamental question and Right. We 357 00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:28.920 don't have the answer to that. I'm an evolutionist, 358 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:33.000 so I guess as an evolutionist, a Darwinist, I would say 359 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:35.000 it evolved in that way. 360 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:41.240 So that is a creationist theory. 361 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:46.080 Creationist theory is, and I'm not opposing 362 00:23:46.080 --> 00:23:50.040 the theory within certain contexts. That is a, that, that, that is 363 00:23:50.040 --> 00:23:53.320 true. And at the same time you always 364 00:23:53.800 --> 00:23:57.600 ask this question, the, the origin question, which is, okay, if there was an 365 00:23:57.600 --> 00:24:01.560 evolution, where did it begin? At someone's cell. It's 366 00:24:01.560 --> 00:24:05.280 Big bang, of course. So Then you say, well, okay, what was there before the 367 00:24:05.280 --> 00:24:08.760 Big Bang? Well, there was nothing before the Big Bang. So if there was nothing 368 00:24:08.760 --> 00:24:12.200 before the Big Bang, how did everything come from 369 00:24:12.360 --> 00:24:16.340 nothing? How does that make sense? How can everything come from nothing? 370 00:24:16.420 --> 00:24:18.900 So those are the questions that we go into, right? Yeah. 371 00:24:20.180 --> 00:24:24.180 And if there is a higher being, what came before that? 372 00:24:24.980 --> 00:24:28.700 Exactly right. The whole infinity is such a almost 373 00:24:28.700 --> 00:24:32.660 impossible concept for humans to imagine or rationalise because 374 00:24:33.460 --> 00:24:37.460 we want there to be a bound on something. And infinity doesn't give us the 375 00:24:37.460 --> 00:24:40.580 ability to process what's beyond because there is no beyond. 376 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.520 That's true. If time is true, time is infinite and space is infinite, 377 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:49.760 then everything is possible. Yeah. Yes. 378 00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:54.400 Now, what I would say is that infinity and 379 00:24:55.280 --> 00:24:58.640 no infinity, or the opposite of infinity, whatever that may be, 380 00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:01.200 finite. Those are finite, right. 381 00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:06.560 Those are concepts of the mind. Right. In the 382 00:25:06.560 --> 00:25:10.310 original word for zero was. Was actually shunya, 383 00:25:10.950 --> 00:25:14.710 which was in Indian philosophy, it was considered both 384 00:25:14.790 --> 00:25:17.990 infinity and zero in one, 385 00:25:18.630 --> 00:25:21.910 if that makes any sense. So. And I don't know if you're going off track 386 00:25:21.910 --> 00:25:25.430 here, so. But we're on the. On the topic, so let's kind of 387 00:25:25.990 --> 00:25:29.590 follow this, right? There's a song that I used to sing to my kid, you 388 00:25:29.590 --> 00:25:33.510 know, Three blue pigeons sitting on a wall, right. I don't know if you heard 389 00:25:33.510 --> 00:25:36.830 that. Three blue pigeons sitting on a wall. And then one fleas flows up, one 390 00:25:36.830 --> 00:25:40.670 flies away. How many are left? Two blue pigeons sitting on a 391 00:25:40.670 --> 00:25:44.430 wall. That flies away. Right? One is there 392 00:25:44.990 --> 00:25:48.830 that flies away. How many are left? No blue pigeons, I guess. No 393 00:25:48.830 --> 00:25:52.830 blue pigeons sitting on a wall. Right. So there's zero blue pigeons 394 00:25:52.830 --> 00:25:56.390 sitting on a wall. But what is left when you take away the 395 00:25:56.390 --> 00:26:00.150 pigeons with the idea of a pigeon? Just a 396 00:26:00.150 --> 00:26:03.950 wall, everything is left, everything is left. So that's infinity, right? 397 00:26:03.950 --> 00:26:07.240 Everything is infinity and zero is. So 398 00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:10.760 when we talk about these concepts, they are very 399 00:26:11.800 --> 00:26:12.680 contextual. 400 00:26:15.560 --> 00:26:19.280 So something that is kind of very difficult to 401 00:26:19.280 --> 00:26:22.280