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Joanne Lockwood: And today is episode 202 with the
Joanne Lockwood: title Dreams into Action. I have the
Joanne Lockwood: absolute honour and privilege to welcome Janet Tanguay.
Joanne Lockwood: Janet is a powerhouse business strategist and creative
Joanne Lockwood: catalyst who helps people turn sparks of inspiration to
Joanne Lockwood: tangible success through visioning, connection
Joanne Lockwood: and inclusive entrepreneurial ecosystems. When
Joanne Lockwood: I asked Janet to describe her superpower, she said that it is being a
Joanne Lockwood: super connector and joy filled cheerleader who helps others
Joanne Lockwood: manifest their dreams. Hello, Janet. Welcome to the show.
Janet Tanguay: I'm delighted to be here, Jo. Thanks for having me. Pleasure. I
Joanne Lockwood: guessing from the accent you're not in the uk. Whereabouts in the world are you?
Janet Tanguay: I'm in upstate New York, which is about two and a half hours north of
Janet Tanguay: New York City in a town called Schenectady. Well, I think, as we
Joanne Lockwood: discussed in the Green Room, my knowledge of the US is it's largely north, south,
Joanne Lockwood: east and west. There's not a lot of granular in there. So
Joanne Lockwood: is that rural city, is it? Yeah, it's sort of, I would say
Janet Tanguay: suburban. So we are about three hours from Montreal and three
Janet Tanguay: hours from Boston and so it's, it's not as busy as those cities, but it's
Janet Tanguay: nice to be able to travel to all of them. Yeah.
Joanne Lockwood: Nip across the Canadian border for a bit of. Absolutely,
Janet Tanguay: yeah. I have some Canadian roots, actually. I'm part Abenaki Indian
Janet Tanguay: and so I have a tribal card and so I visit the reservation
Janet Tanguay: and. Wow. Okay, now we didn't talk about that. In
Joanne Lockwood: agreement. Sure. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. So you are a.
Joanne Lockwood: A descendant of First Nation, are you? Yes,
Janet Tanguay: Abnaki. The Abnaki tribe. And they're presumably east coast based.
Joanne Lockwood: They're not all over the. Yeah, mostly Canada based,
Janet Tanguay: but A few are in New York and Vermont, so. And that's where I
Janet Tanguay: grew up, in Vermont, which is a state over from New York.
Joanne Lockwood: Wow. So you have a lot of tribal heritage and
Joanne Lockwood: culture that you have there, is it? I do. My great grandmother
Janet Tanguay: was 100% Abnaki, and so, yeah, and
Janet Tanguay: it's a lovely heritage. So I've been, like you said, to the reservation,
Janet Tanguay: to the sweat lodges, and apparently I have
Janet Tanguay: access to an acre of land in Canada should I ever decide to move to
Janet Tanguay: the reservation. Wow, that's fascinating. That's fast.
Joanne Lockwood: Wow, that's beautiful. Beautiful. I don't think I've ever met anybody
Joanne Lockwood: with First Nation heritage before. That's great. Okay, cool.
Joanne Lockwood: So we're chatting away in the green room about
Joanne Lockwood: the fact you're a super connector and the fact you help others
Joanne Lockwood: manifest their dreams. What first drew you to that?
Joanne Lockwood: Where does this spark of inspiration came from? What drew you into
Joanne Lockwood: that? This world? Yeah. So for about 13 years, I
Janet Tanguay: helped people start new businesses. We had a chamber of commerce, and
Janet Tanguay: so there were lots of different people in the room, from GEDs
Janet Tanguay: to PhDs. And so I learned about all different kinds of cultures and
Janet Tanguay: ethnicities and really brought together people all have the same dream of starting a
Janet Tanguay: business. And so we really all worked together and it was about the
Janet Tanguay: business and people had similar dreams. I realised that people. People's
Janet Tanguay: dreams are mostly around the same things, you know, and
Janet Tanguay: so I just became intrigued by it all. And I really wanted to create an
Janet Tanguay: inclusive, safe place where my job was just to hold
Janet Tanguay: space for people to be their authentic selves. And so that's where my
Janet Tanguay: love of this started. And then being in that classroom,
Janet Tanguay: every once in a while, we'd have a speaker come in and I would be
Janet Tanguay: sitting at the table and they would say, what's your dream? Where do you want
Janet Tanguay: to be in five years and in your business? And I've always had a side
Janet Tanguay: hustle. For a while I had an art business and. And I helped people get
Janet Tanguay: into galleries and private collections and things like that. But the more
Janet Tanguay: I was in the class, the more I thought I really should leap off full
Janet Tanguay: time into something full time. And what would my dream be? And so I started
Janet Tanguay: saying, well, my dream is to be in a hammock more often. And
Janet Tanguay: so it became a running joke. And so when I decided to start my business,
Janet Tanguay: the class said, you should call it the Hammock Way of Life. And so that's
Janet Tanguay: what I did. My business is called the Hammock Way of life because I Want
Janet Tanguay: to be in a hammock more often. And whatever people's dreams are, I
Janet Tanguay: try to help them live theirs as well. Beautiful, beautiful. I'm a great
Joanne Lockwood: believer in the icky guy, which is the Japanese secret of
Joanne Lockwood: a happy life, isn't it? And most people don't ever fill
Joanne Lockwood: the fourth quadrant in which is do something you enjoy. You get
Joanne Lockwood: stuck into this earning a living and you never actually step out
Joanne Lockwood: of that, do you? I know the patterns and I was sort of in that
Janet Tanguay: space, right. I'm tied into. I have to have health insurance. Health insurance is
Janet Tanguay: expensive here. And so, and so I kept getting locked into. I
Janet Tanguay: have to have a job. Leaving my job was the best thing that I ever
Janet Tanguay: did. I control my own destiny now and help others live their dreams. And
Janet Tanguay: so it really was, it's, you know, set that fear aside and get out of
Janet Tanguay: patterns and routines and all that was important.
Janet Tanguay: And now I can help. I other people do that as well. I don't think
Joanne Lockwood: I've worked for anybody else properly and since the late 90s
Joanne Lockwood: and I'm self confessed unemployable now, you know,
Joanne Lockwood: I have run business, my own businesses. But that's different. When you
Joanne Lockwood: are running your own business with people working for you, you're still working for yourself.
Joanne Lockwood: And even though you are slave to a slave to your company, you
Joanne Lockwood: are, you still have that ultimate power to decide whether I'm going to get up
Joanne Lockwood: today or whether I'm going to stay at home today. You can, you can decide
Joanne Lockwood: that no one's going to come and knock on your door other than your customers.
Janet Tanguay: Right? Yeah. An important piece of that
Janet Tanguay: puzzle and the other sort of lesson that I
Janet Tanguay: learned is that when you're a business owner to work on your business,
Janet Tanguay: not in it. When I first started working, I was really
Janet Tanguay: working in my business as an employee to the customer, right. And so now it's
Janet Tanguay: more working on the business than in it. So trying to help,
Janet Tanguay: you know, make good connections and help other people.
Janet Tanguay: You know, I have some VAs that help me out. I have all independent contractors
Janet Tanguay: working with me who are so talented designers and things like that. So I'm not
Janet Tanguay: as in the business as on it now. It takes, it
Joanne Lockwood: can take a while though to break the relationship between
Joanne Lockwood: the harder I work, the more I make. Sometimes you have to,
Joanne Lockwood: as you say, have to invest your time into
Joanne Lockwood: thinking, you invest your time into development, invest your time into marketing or
Joanne Lockwood: networking, whatever. Then when you're building your break even,
Joanne Lockwood: you're building your cost model, you can't build a hundred
Joanne Lockwood: percent cost model into working all the time. You can only really work
Joanne Lockwood: 30, 40% if you're lucky. Yes, absolutely. Two
Janet Tanguay: of my favourite books are the Four Hour Workweek. Tim Ferriss, I think wrote that
Janet Tanguay: book. And then Orbiting the Giant Hairball and that's a.
Janet Tanguay: Do you know that book? No. It's a great title though. It's very.
Janet Tanguay: I love it so much. So it's about this gentleman who was at a
Janet Tanguay: job and he realised that a lot of people were unhappy in
Janet Tanguay: their jobs and people kept coming into his office and talking about their problems and
Janet Tanguay: the work that they were doing and all that. And so he kind of
Janet Tanguay: self titled, he created a title for himself around
Janet Tanguay: creativity. I'm forgetting the title right now but so they would. He put up
Janet Tanguay: a little plaque on his door and people would come in and. And he created
Janet Tanguay: this beautifully creative space for them to come and talk about their problems. He created
Janet Tanguay: his own kind of job for himself around creativity. He'd give them creative solutions
Janet Tanguay: and all of that. And so the giant hairball is the corporation and he made
Janet Tanguay: his own path in that corporation. So. But, but you're
Janet Tanguay: right, once you sort of embrace entrepreneurship, it is hard to go back to work
Janet Tanguay: for anyone else. It's also quite scary that leap out though, isn't it?
Joanne Lockwood: As you say, you are kind of handcuffed by your organisation for
Joanne Lockwood: health care, bonuses and mortgage payments, all these
Joanne Lockwood: sort of things. And family commitments. You think, can I risk everything on
Joanne Lockwood: black and spin the wheel and see what happens? It takes,
Janet Tanguay: right? It takes self belief. And I think the other thing that people forget
Janet Tanguay: about is that you can, you know, the first few years anyway, treat
Janet Tanguay: it like a job. You wake up in the morning and you
Janet Tanguay: sort of, you know, go to work. It's not like you have your own business.
Janet Tanguay: You can just sit back and do nothing. You still have to network, you still
Janet Tanguay: have to do the accounting work or hire someone to do that. So I think
Janet Tanguay: it's just, you know, you have to figure things out initially and if you believe
Janet Tanguay: in yourself and whatever it is your dream is and they're passionate about it and
Janet Tanguay: you're not doing it for someone else. Right. I've seen people do it for someone
Janet Tanguay: else and not themselves and that's when it usually fails. Yeah,
Joanne Lockwood: that's the key thing, isn't it? You've got to find that spark. If it feels
Joanne Lockwood: like work, it's not going to succeed, is it? It's got to, it's really got
Joanne Lockwood: to feel vocational, it's got You've got a passion for it. It's got to.
Joanne Lockwood: Because one of the things I've got is being self employed or working for yourself
Joanne Lockwood: is you can work when you want, but the flip
Joanne Lockwood: side of that is you have to work when you don't want. So you
Joanne Lockwood: have to take those opportunities when you can. And sometimes you go,
Joanne Lockwood: actually, I've got to do this, I don't want to, I gotta do this.
Janet Tanguay: Right. But, and I, I'm at a point where my work feels like play. So
Janet Tanguay: I would do this even if I weren't getting paid for it. So I love
Janet Tanguay: what I do. I help other people live their dreams and so that to me
Janet Tanguay: is really fulfilling. I love being a cheerleader and watching other
Janet Tanguay: people, you know, attain their dreams and it always comes full circle. Somehow
Janet Tanguay: my dreams come true by helping other people. Right.
Janet Tanguay: It's really kind of cool. I'm with you on that. I would do a lot
Joanne Lockwood: of what I do even if I didn't need the money, but
Joanne Lockwood: I would do it differently. I'd be sitting here, I'd be in Malibu or something
Joanne Lockwood: recording this podcast. Not, not in, not in the south of England, you know, I'd
Joanne Lockwood: be in the south of France. I'd have a villa somewhere. So yeah, if I
Joanne Lockwood: had unlimited money, I might still do the podcast, but it would be on my
Joanne Lockwood: different terms. Different terms. Right, right, right, sure, yeah, I hear you
Janet Tanguay: on that one. So, yeah, and, and the way I've had, I've worked with clients
Janet Tanguay: who, who make those things happen. Right. So I, I have a, one of the
Janet Tanguay: coaches and my network. So, so that's what I, I do, I, I,
Janet Tanguay: I do vision, I use vision boarding as a tool to help people's dreams
Janet Tanguay: come true. And so I get so busy with it that I, I have 50
Janet Tanguay: right now trained and certified vision board coaches throughout the world. And so
Janet Tanguay: one of them decided that she wanted to travel. And so she is
Janet Tanguay: a photographer and she approaches resorts and says, can I do some vision
Janet Tanguay: boarding and I will photograph the grounds of your property for free. And
Janet Tanguay: I think she has a family member who works for an airline and so she
Janet Tanguay: gets some free tickets and so she travels all around the world. She was in
Janet Tanguay: Costa Rica recently and I think she's in Tulum now. So yeah, it's really kind
Janet Tanguay: of cool. I know some people who do this. Some of the
Joanne Lockwood: influencers out there, they, they do a similar thing. They go to hotels and say,
Joanne Lockwood: look, I'm an, I'm an influencer. I've got all these instagram followers. I'd like to
Joanne Lockwood: come and spend some time at your resort, film it, do a little mini documentary.
Joanne Lockwood: Would you give me free, free accommodation for a week? And they get, most times
Joanne Lockwood: they go, yeah. And then you, they just travel around the world being an
Joanne Lockwood: influencer. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And a lot of the hotels need to
Janet Tanguay: fill, you know, they need to fill rooms. Right. So they, yeah, so they're,
Janet Tanguay: they're open to it for the most part. It's kind of that symbiotic relationship and
Joanne Lockwood: the influencer gets a great venue somewhere to live and
Joanne Lockwood: stay and have fun with and the venue gets some great
Joanne Lockwood: marketing material and some authority to, I don't know, fifty
Joanne Lockwood: hundred thousand followers or something that's going to absolutely showcase their product. And
Janet Tanguay: that's the whole point of visioning, right, that it doesn't have to be expensive.
Janet Tanguay: You know, if you want a, a new car, go test drive the car. It
Janet Tanguay: costs nothing to test drive a car. Or if you want a new home, go
Janet Tanguay: to some open houses and start really dreaming of what it would be like for
Janet Tanguay: you to, to be there and, and feel into it and journal about it and,
Janet Tanguay: and all of that. So. But there can be low cost things that you can
Janet Tanguay: do that, you know, towards your dreams. So it's a bit like
Joanne Lockwood: if you want to win the lottery, you have to buy a ticket, don't you?
Janet Tanguay: Absolutely. Right, yes. Yeah. In other words, you've got all the hopes and dreams, but
Joanne Lockwood: they're any of the potential. Exactly. Right, yeah, yeah, that's true.
Joanne Lockwood: So what is vision boarding? You've mentioned it a couple of times and
Joanne Lockwood: I've got a mental picture, but I'm not 100% sure
Joanne Lockwood: what is it exactly. Sure, sure. Well, it's sort of the way we do vision
Janet Tanguay: boarding is a little bit different because we bring in so many different tools around
Janet Tanguay: it now. So basically it's taking either if you do it
Janet Tanguay: tangibly with a poster, you have poster boards and magazines and
Janet Tanguay: glue sticks and you sort of sort through them and see what
Janet Tanguay: images appeal to you and around the things that you
Janet Tanguay: desire in life. And, and if you do it digitally, you
Janet Tanguay: can use things like Canva or Pinterest or Mural or things like that.
Janet Tanguay: And so we're taking vision boards boarding now and using
Janet Tanguay: AI tools in them. We also bring in sound healers
Janet Tanguay: and improv actors and business, business
Janet Tanguay: model canvas. And it just depends on what the client wants. And they're really great
Janet Tanguay: for team building, for staff appreciation, volunteer appreciation. People
Janet Tanguay: really want to focus people in jobs and People that maybe
Janet Tanguay: desire to be in their own business and have certain dreams don't
Janet Tanguay: take the time to really focus on them. And I think that's part of. The
Janet Tanguay: important part of what we do is that we. We allow people to take the
Janet Tanguay: time to really focus on what they want instead of just going through the grind
Janet Tanguay: every day. So it's creating a visual
Joanne Lockwood: metaphor for an aspiration, a dream,
Joanne Lockwood: a milestone or whatever you want to achieve. Bit like the
Joanne Lockwood: coaching model. Where are we now? We're at 5. How do we get to 10?
Joanne Lockwood: This is actually putting a picture against 10 or against 5,
Joanne Lockwood: so we can say, ah, when I have 5, my house looks like
Joanne Lockwood: this. When I have 10, my house looks like this. Right. That's what I'm aiming
Joanne Lockwood: for. So it's helping people crystallise their vision. Yeah, yeah. And
Janet Tanguay: there's a lot of neuroscience that backs it now, too. So when we have sceptics,
Janet Tanguay: and sometimes not everyone, but, you know, we've been in large
Janet Tanguay: engineering groups and insurance companies and things like that, they come in sceptically. Bankers,
Janet Tanguay: right. They maybe have seen people's dreams fall apart or something, but they come
Janet Tanguay: in a little bit sceptical. And so what happens is we show
Janet Tanguay: them that by looking at these pictures and
Janet Tanguay: words on a daily basis, it somehow wires your brain
Janet Tanguay: to be able to say, oh, this is coming to me. It's like, when. When
Janet Tanguay: have you ever, you know, purchased a new car and then you see it on
Janet Tanguay: the road everywhere. You never saw it before you wanted it, Right? So it's
Janet Tanguay: similar to that. So if you see it every day, somehow it manifests in your
Janet Tanguay: world. So. So keeping it at the forefront. And sometimes
Janet Tanguay: I forget I've had some things manifest in very different ways. One
Janet Tanguay: year I put a picture of a Buddha in the middle of my board. To
Janet Tanguay: me, that meant slow down, do some yoga, relax more. And
Janet Tanguay: I was sent to China on a trip and was at the. Found myself at
Janet Tanguay: the biggest Buddha temple in China. Be careful what you wish for on these boards.
Janet Tanguay: Another time, I put a picture of a car. I couldn't find the car that
Janet Tanguay: I wanted, so I put a picture of a different car. And I'm driving that
Janet Tanguay: car now. So it's funny how. How things manifest in. In very
Janet Tanguay: different ways. So it's not just social media
Joanne Lockwood: listening to your conversations on your phone when you're chatting in
Joanne Lockwood: the living room, and then suddenly you go onto Facebook and everything's got an advert
Joanne Lockwood: for everything you've just talked about. That's a whole other. Yeah. That's a whole other
Janet Tanguay: thing. That's a whole other spooky thing. Yeah, yeah. It's funny, though. And
Joanne Lockwood: it does happen, though, doesn't it? Seems to, yeah, it does, yeah. I mean, it
Joanne Lockwood: could just be this. A similar sort of brain phenomenon where you've. Cause you just
Joanne Lockwood: talked about it, suddenly you notice it everywhere, as you said, right? Yeah, yeah. And
Janet Tanguay: maybe you didn't notice it, Right. Maybe you just were saying it a lot and
Janet Tanguay: you didn't notice that. Right. It was going to. And then showing up in your
Janet Tanguay: feed. Yeah. Makes it. Makes it a reality. Right. A few years ago I
Joanne Lockwood: noticed that we. I was going. I was driving around and I was driving
Joanne Lockwood: down this road and then I saw this street name that it was. I. I
Joanne Lockwood: don't know, I can't remember what it was. It was like David Close or something
Joanne Lockwood: and I'd just been talking about a David and then suddenly I'm driving somewhere else
Joanne Lockwood: and suddenly David there and then there's David there and then there's David there and
Joanne Lockwood: I'm thinking, is there a glitch in the matrix or something? Is something sort of.
Joanne Lockwood: Have I. Have I hit this deja vu moment where the
Joanne Lockwood: matrix is glitched and suddenly now I'm seeing everything and. Yeah, yeah. So I would
Janet Tanguay: say that's fine. That's a. That definitely follow the. You know, follow the
Janet Tanguay: signs. I always say, you know, that there's. There's some. I follow the
Janet Tanguay: signs all the. All the time and I actually get literal signs. So. So some
Janet Tanguay: people get them on licence plates or they might see a penny or a feather
Janet Tanguay: or something like that and I actually get literal signs that. That appear
Janet Tanguay: so. When I was. When I was younger, I was in the middle of
Janet Tanguay: transitioning from one job to another and I wasn't sure whether to take this job.
Janet Tanguay: And every day on the way to the gym, there was this fish fry place
Janet Tanguay: and it said, new sign coming soon. And it was up for two years, so
Janet Tanguay: the anticipation was really killing me. Right. So I finally.
Janet Tanguay: On the day that I kind of put out the request, you know, send me
Janet Tanguay: a sign if I'm supposed to take this job, the new sign came up
Janet Tanguay: and it was a big sign of a. It was a picture of a fish
Janet Tanguay: and. And the head of the. The new organisation that I was anticipating
Janet Tanguay: going to was named Fish. And so I thought that was my sign to leave.
Janet Tanguay: Leave the job. It was actually a. You'll laugh at this one. It was a
Janet Tanguay: job in banking and I lasted four days in
Janet Tanguay: banking after I Took that job because. So the first day on the
Janet Tanguay: job, the trainer was out, so some out sick or something, and they had a
Janet Tanguay: different trainer come in and told us all the ways that a bank could be
Janet Tanguay: robbed. And so that was my first day, so. And then my second
Janet Tanguay: day was training with somebody who'd been in banking their whole life. And so
Janet Tanguay: I was supposed to be the manager and she came in and was outshining me
Janet Tanguay: and. But really what put me over the edge was they were going to make
Janet Tanguay: me wear a sweater vest with a white shirt for the rest of my life.
Janet Tanguay: And I was in the parking lot crying, saying, I can't
Janet Tanguay: wear. I don't look good in sweater vests. I can't wear a sweater vest for
Janet Tanguay: the rest of my life. And so that's why I ended up leaving the job,
Janet Tanguay: because of the sweater vest. Well, that was a sign, wasn't it? It was. It
Janet Tanguay: was a sign. Yeah. You look in the mirror, you're in a sweater vest going,
Joanne Lockwood: that's not my vision. Exactly. And it led me to
Janet Tanguay: this wonderful career as a, you know, a business strategist and dream
Janet Tanguay: maker and creative catalyst. So. Yeah, yeah.
Joanne Lockwood: So in the show notes, and we're talking about in the green room, you've worked
Joanne Lockwood: with people from all demographics and backgrounds,
Joanne Lockwood: some people from marginalised communities. I guess, given your.
Joanne Lockwood: Your heritage of your family heritage, you work with
Joanne Lockwood: communities that aren't in the majority. Often people's
Joanne Lockwood: visions must be different. You know, not everybody wants to be a millionaire, do
Joanne Lockwood: they? Some people want health or happiness. What do they look like?
Janet Tanguay: Yeah, that's such an important point. So, you know, I've learned lots of
Janet Tanguay: lessons over the years and I think the one that for me was the most
Janet Tanguay: just telling and that I really became sensitive to
Janet Tanguay: was we were working in an organisation with the staff
Janet Tanguay: of an organisation that helped the unhoused. And so we went
Janet Tanguay: into it and I always bring lots of travel magazines into
Janet Tanguay: these workshops and glorious houses and, you know, all sorts of things.
Janet Tanguay: Architectural Digest and, you know, Conde Nast travel
Janet Tanguay: magazines. And so what happened at the end of it was that when they shared
Janet Tanguay: their vision boards, they were showing pictures of food
Janet Tanguay: and pictures of chairs and couches and
Janet Tanguay: things from the furniture magazines, but there was no travel anywhere on any of
Janet Tanguay: the boards. The travel magazine sat untouched. And so
Janet Tanguay: from that point forward, I really made an effort to know my
Janet Tanguay: audience and dive deeper into who are these people and
Janet Tanguay: what are their dreams and goals before I enter the room, just like we did.
Janet Tanguay: You talked to me before. I Came on the podcast. Right. Sort of take a
Janet Tanguay: deeper dive and always know who am I audience is. So we've worked
Janet Tanguay: with neurodiverse communities, we've worked with LGBTQ
Janet Tanguay: communities, we've worked. One of the things that I bring into
Janet Tanguay: some of the places that I work with, instead of post award, I bring in
Janet Tanguay: cake boxes because not everyone wants to share their dreams with people so that
Janet Tanguay: people can show what they want to show through the clear top of the cake
Janet Tanguay: box and then not show whatever else. It's also three dimensional, so they
Janet Tanguay: can put different, different things in there. And we've worked with,
Janet Tanguay: you know, the formerly incarcerated, currently incarcerated and then high, high
Janet Tanguay: net worth women. So it's really across the board. Again, everyone has
Janet Tanguay: some sort of genes but their dream. You're absolutely right. The dreams are, are different
Janet Tanguay: for different, different. The messages that came through
Janet Tanguay: on one of the boards, we worked with a group of teens during the pandemic
Janet Tanguay: and they were in the foster care system and they put
Janet Tanguay: lots of pictures of fashion and fast cars and,
Janet Tanguay: you know, it was, it was mostly boys. And when it came time for them
Janet Tanguay: to share their boards in very, very, very tiny print, it said,
Janet Tanguay: I survived my childhood. And I don't think
Janet Tanguay: his peers saw it, but certainly the leaders in the group. And
Janet Tanguay: I saw it again, it was virtual, so it was. I had a chance
Janet Tanguay: to see it up close where maybe other people didn't. And so again, really impactful
Janet Tanguay: work. When you see messaging coming through like. That as you're speaking now and thinking
Joanne Lockwood: this is like a very visual representation of Basso's
Joanne Lockwood: hierarchy of needs, isn't it? This is when you're, when you're actually doing
Joanne Lockwood: holidays and aspirational type dreams, you're right at the top of
Joanne Lockwood: that self actualisation, whereas if you're, you've got pictures of food
Joanne Lockwood: safety, you're right there. And that's a real indication of where these people are in
Joanne Lockwood: their lives. Absolutely. Really gives you an insight as to
Joanne Lockwood: how you can motivate them, how you can talk to, how to communicate. Because
Joanne Lockwood: you're right, you've got to read the room. And this vision board allows you to
Joanne Lockwood: really see where people are at and then you can meet them there. That's really
Joanne Lockwood: powerful. Yeah, yeah, it really, yeah. Like I said, we've got
Janet Tanguay: all sorts of, you know, opportunity to work with people and people
Janet Tanguay: with an ability difference. Right. You have to make sure that they
Janet Tanguay: can access whatever it is you're bringing, poster board that they can reach if it,
Janet Tanguay: you know, and all of that so we, like I said, we've learned lots of
Janet Tanguay: lessons and also to bring in. I really want people to see
Janet Tanguay: themselves in. In the magazines that I bring. So to
Janet Tanguay: find magazines so that people can see themselves in all
Janet Tanguay: ways is. Is. Can be challenging. Right. So sometimes I have them bring their own
Janet Tanguay: photos but I. I chase magazines far and wide to try to make
Janet Tanguay: sure that I get them from. From all places. And now I'm seeing a little
Janet Tanguay: bit on, you know, Amazon has. Has books to. Specifically for,
Janet Tanguay: you know, people of colour and certain, you know, demographics. You can find
Janet Tanguay: specific vision boarding books just for. For other people. So yeah,
Joanne Lockwood: of course you've got tools like Canva and other platforms where you could probably generate
Joanne Lockwood: imagery. Absolutely. And virtually. It's easy. Yeah, it
Joanne Lockwood: is. AI can generate some stuff as well for you now. Yes, yeah,
Janet Tanguay: yeah. So sometimes I bring loose. Sometimes I create those in advance and I'll
Janet Tanguay: print them out just from, you know, so. So that I bring loose images. It
Janet Tanguay: doesn't always have to come from a magazine. Magazines are hard to find these days.
Janet Tanguay: They're expensive on the newsstand. I got lucky because my nephew works for a magazine
Janet Tanguay: company, so sometimes I get them from him. But yeah,
Joanne Lockwood: yeah, I suppose things like dentists and doctors, they create
Joanne Lockwood: all the coffee tables away during COVID and never put them back. They did. It's
Janet Tanguay: really true. Yeah. Libraries sometimes give them away at the end and there's
Janet Tanguay: a few places out there. And again, we make an effort to go into certain
Janet Tanguay: groups, associations sometimes have magazines for their members
Janet Tanguay: and so we make a wide effort to reach out. Yeah,
Joanne Lockwood: we went digital quite quickly, didn't we? We did.
Joanne Lockwood: As soon as we couldn't give a magazine out, we stopped doing them. Yeah. So
Joanne Lockwood: again, going back to the way you're engaging with some of the, I hate the
Joanne Lockwood: word marginalised communities, that sounds so. So crass, doesn't it? It's
Joanne Lockwood: not, it's not what I'm trying to say. You know, people who are voiceless,
Joanne Lockwood: unheard, people who maybe don't have the same opportunities as
Joanne Lockwood: others. What is it, what is it about. I was going to say
Joanne Lockwood: them. I mean that again is stereotyping, is creating a group.
Joanne Lockwood: What are common paths that come out? You talked about that. Their needs and their
Joanne Lockwood: visions are more day to day, more immediate.
Joanne Lockwood: But what are the common themes in terms of their hopes and aspirations then? Is
Joanne Lockwood: there a common theme that comes out? Yeah, I think family is really important
Janet Tanguay: to them, whatever family means to them. And different kinds of families.
Janet Tanguay: Right. And I will say money usually makes the board. Because
Janet Tanguay: most of us need a little bit of that to survive. No matter what what
Janet Tanguay: it is. The amounts are different. I sometimes have them put
Janet Tanguay: amounts. Everyone when I say them all the, you know, all of my clients
Janet Tanguay: put amounts of money. So I get specific with them and it is. It is
Janet Tanguay: very different for. For different groups. Some people are putting millions and some people are
Janet Tanguay: putting thousands and hundreds. Right. So. So that. That
Janet Tanguay: stands out sometimes health is. Is also something that I think is. Is pretty
Janet Tanguay: common for. For everyone. It's a common. Common. So those three
Janet Tanguay: things would be similar. Glancing through your show notes
Joanne Lockwood: and what you wrote earlier and a little bit at the bottom just snuck in
Joanne Lockwood: there. You own a record label? I do, I do, yeah. I just
Janet Tanguay: started one. It's Tangway Productions
Janet Tanguay: and I produced my first record called Smell the Rain
Janet Tanguay: with Jay Ariel and Robert Frederick. Bob
Janet Tanguay: knew I had a dream of I write lyrics and he knew that that was
Janet Tanguay: one of my dreams. And he's a musician and he said, you want play around
Janet Tanguay: and see what we come up with. And so he helped me write the first
Janet Tanguay: version of it and then I wanted it to be a little more. More R
Janet Tanguay: and B and. And so we brought in Jaya Rael and she
Janet Tanguay: beautifully put something together and. And we have this beautiful record
Janet Tanguay: now called Smell the Rain. And my second record is in the
Janet Tanguay: works and if I could describe it to you, it is almost
Janet Tanguay: duelling instruments, so starting out chaotic and then becoming
Janet Tanguay: something beautiful at the end, which is kind of, I'm hoping where our
Janet Tanguay: world is going right now. I don't love that we're in chaos, but I'm
Janet Tanguay: hoping it anyway. So that's sort of the theory of it. And so we're bringing
Janet Tanguay: together lots of different musicians to do that. Is that a bit like Devil Came
Joanne Lockwood: Down To Georgia? Sort of like you got the violin and sort of like giving
Joanne Lockwood: it a bit of a duel sort of thing. Yeah, bit of a violin going
Joanne Lockwood: on. Bit of a. Bit of a drum. Yeah. A call and response sort of
Janet Tanguay: thing. Right. That starts out maybe as an argument and you know, not nice and
Janet Tanguay: then. But the. What we're trying to work out right now is will people
Janet Tanguay: even list if we start out in chaos? Right. So we're not quite sure
Janet Tanguay: about it, but it's evolving. So yeah, I
Joanne Lockwood: listen to. Indirectly. I listen to a lot of puppy music. So we've got a
Joanne Lockwood: young puppy and we found all these playlists on Apple Music. So we
Joanne Lockwood: create all these. This playlist of puppy music, you know, with fireworks in it and
Joanne Lockwood: all These Anxiety Anti Anxiety tracks. And I've listened to some really kind
Joanne Lockwood: of. It's actually more like spa music. It's really nice.
Joanne Lockwood: We even play it at night now. It's great. So I can imagine some of
Joanne Lockwood: this sort of. Some of the things you're talking about there would fit well into
Joanne Lockwood: this sort of puppy music. So, yeah, maybe. Maybe you don't need humans to listen
Joanne Lockwood: to this. Maybe you could just. You could find it. Find an outlet. I love
Janet Tanguay: that. I'm gonna. Right after this, I'm gonna go listen to puppy music. That's great.
Janet Tanguay: I love that. Thank you. You wouldn't believe how many albums there are about
Joanne Lockwood: puppy music. Anti Anxiety this, Anti Anxiety that. I mean,
Joanne Lockwood: there's one artist that has like, I don't know, 40 albums and playlists and
Joanne Lockwood: things, and it's like. It's fascinating. It doesn't work the same way for cats. I'm
Janet Tanguay: more of a cat person. So is it. Does it work the same way for
Janet Tanguay: cats? But as a puppy owner and not a cat owner, I've never searched
Joanne Lockwood: for cats. You might find this one for budgery guards and cockatoos
Joanne Lockwood: and fish. That's great. I love it.
Janet Tanguay: Inclusive music for all animals. You talk
Joanne Lockwood: about owning a record label. Tell me a bit more about this. Because I've
Joanne Lockwood: just seen the Bruce Springsteen movie and he's in
Joanne Lockwood: a recording studio. So I've got this image of an eight track or him, you
Joanne Lockwood: know, him ideating his hotel room. Was it his hotel room? He's got his little
Joanne Lockwood: echo machine on and then they're in the studio and they've got these people in
Joanne Lockwood: this traditional. Is that. Is that what you've got? You've got one of those
Joanne Lockwood: studios? Exactly right. In fact, I had to look really closely to see is that
Janet Tanguay: the studio that we. That we, you know, produced the music. And it was that
Janet Tanguay: similar. So, yeah, you basically, the engineers are who puts it together in the end.
Janet Tanguay: So you have this vision and it's a lot of iterations. It just. It
Janet Tanguay: was a creative process which I loved. Again, I wear lots of creative hats. I'm
Janet Tanguay: a mixed media artist and an author. But this music for me
Janet Tanguay: was so fun to put put together because I play a little bit
Janet Tanguay: of piano and I understand a little bit of music, but I really needed a
Janet Tanguay: lot of musicians to help me. It was so collaborative and I didn't know all
Janet Tanguay: the players. So sometimes the engineer would recommend somebody in their network and
Janet Tanguay: we'd bring in a saxophonist and they weren't quite understanding what
Janet Tanguay: I was Trying to do. And so the second one just got it right. And
Janet Tanguay: so, yeah, so it was really a creative process to get everybody on board to
Janet Tanguay: understand the. The vision of. Of what I wanted it to be in. In
Janet Tanguay: the end. So it was, you know, and it's always one of these things when
Janet Tanguay: you're an artist. When is it ready? Is it ever finished? Right. So
Janet Tanguay: there's always one more thing that you could do. But so. But when it's. When
Janet Tanguay: it's ready and you can. You can ask, you know, Amazon Music or
Janet Tanguay: Spotify to play it. It's pretty cool. I love that. I
Joanne Lockwood: love that if I've put some things on my
Joanne Lockwood: vision board, I would have a saxophone on there somewhere, because
Joanne Lockwood: that's always been an instrument. I thought it'd be really cool to
Joanne Lockwood: play something, you know, don't play a lot. Just maybe the riff out of
Joanne Lockwood: Baker street or something like that. Just something out of that. Just so you can.
Joanne Lockwood: You're at a party, you're with a load of friends and there's a sax in
Joanne Lockwood: the corner. You go, do you mind? Can I. They go, yeah, sure,
Joanne Lockwood: whatever. And you blast out a bit of that and go, thanks. And just put
Joanne Lockwood: it down and walk away and just leave everybody in silence. It's really true. So
Janet Tanguay: that's funny that you say that, because I started out playing piano and
Janet Tanguay: so it was pretty easily easy to translate the notes to the saxophone.
Janet Tanguay: The hard part when you don't play a wind instrument is the mouthpiece.
Janet Tanguay: Right. To learn all of that was more difficult for me. So I.
Janet Tanguay: Yeah, so I loved playing and I could play. I could. I knew I was
Janet Tanguay: playing the correct notes. But getting the breath work right and all that is the
Janet Tanguay: biggest challenge. Do you play any other? No, I don't. No. I
Joanne Lockwood: learned. My granddad taught me Three Blind Mice on
Joanne Lockwood: the piano and bar. Bar Black Sheep
Joanne Lockwood: only. Only about. So I'm being very visual here. This is
Joanne Lockwood: an audio podcast. I only learned about 10 or 15 notes, you know,
Joanne Lockwood: ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
Joanne Lockwood: And if ever I see a piano in a shopping centre or something like that,
Joanne Lockwood: I go and do Three Blow Mice. Or I do Ba Ba Black Sheep. That's
Joanne Lockwood: it. That's me. Yeah. I'm not musical at all.
Joanne Lockwood: It didn't trigger my brain as something that I could learn. I tried the
Joanne Lockwood: recorder and like everybody does at school. Recorder, right. Never
Joanne Lockwood: progressed past London's Burning. I don't know if you did that in the States,
Joanne Lockwood: right? Yeah, Yeah. I live with musical instruments.
Janet Tanguay: I have a Xylophone and drums and
Janet Tanguay: Tibetan bowls and so they're always here when I
Janet Tanguay: need sound, just to play a little bit of it. So I don't know that
Janet Tanguay: you absolutely need to be a musician to do that stuff. It just. I love
Janet Tanguay: music. Yeah, it's nice to have it. I think you said
Joanne Lockwood: earlier, what would you do if you, you know, would you carry on doing what
Joanne Lockwood: you do if you had it didn't need to work? And I think I'd love
Joanne Lockwood: the opportunity to explore my, my lack of musicality and become a bit more musical,
Joanne Lockwood: you know. That's great. Yeah. I heard, I heard once someone say that
Joanne Lockwood: everybody can learn to sing and
Joanne Lockwood: I'd like to prove them wrong. I can't.
Joanne Lockwood: Or prove myself wrong. I can. I agree.
Janet Tanguay: Everyone has a creative, creative bone, right. Everyone has
Janet Tanguay: creativity in them. It's just a matter of drawing it out. I trained as an
Janet Tanguay: express art expressive artist at Glass Lake Studio, which is affiliated with
Janet Tanguay: a European graduate school in South Bay, Switzerland, and just learned all sorts of things
Janet Tanguay: about myself and how we're all really creative, you know, and
Janet Tanguay: we get stuck in that, oh, I have to do things a certain way. And
Janet Tanguay: so you really don't. You can close your eyes and draw with your non dominant
Janet Tanguay: hand and you're going to make something and then, you know,
Janet Tanguay: can evolve into something wonderful. So. Yeah,
Janet Tanguay: yeah. Again we mentioned Dicky Guy earlier and finding
Joanne Lockwood: what you love. And I suppose what, what I found was that I
Joanne Lockwood: had this inner. I wanted to be a rock star, Susie Quattro or something
Joanne Lockwood: like that. But you know, back in my youth I wanted to be on there,
Joanne Lockwood: tight leathers, guitar, really strumming it out. I was a big fan of people like
Joanne Lockwood: David Coverdale and the Deep Purple and those sort of rock bands of the
Joanne Lockwood: 70s and 80s. I think I always wanted to be that
Joanne Lockwood: person, but I didn't play the instrument, didn't sing. I wasn't really musical. I was
Joanne Lockwood: probably more too into computers and logic than I was creativity.
Joanne Lockwood: But then I found professional speaking and standing on stage
Joanne Lockwood: and it suddenly really tweaked on me. I've got a microphone in my hand
Joanne Lockwood: or kit to my lapel. I've now got an audience, I've now wooing
Joanne Lockwood: people and they're leaning in and they're excited. I've got fan girls out there and
Joanne Lockwood: fanboys out there and this. I thought, wow. I
Joanne Lockwood: found my stage in a different way and it's. That's great. Yeah. So next time
Janet Tanguay: you're there, maybe, maybe sing a tune, right. Just Test the waters. Right
Janet Tanguay: now. I do karaoke. And yeah, it's,
Joanne Lockwood: I'm one of these people that doesn't mind singing. I don't, I've got no problem
Joanne Lockwood: singing. It's just whether you've got a problem listening is the issue.
Janet Tanguay: That's funny. Well, that's what I mean. I think that's the message in this. I'm
Janet Tanguay: in the same boat. I can't even sing the Happy Birthday song correctly and on
Janet Tanguay: a record label. Right. So I don't think it matters. It's whatever you
Janet Tanguay: hear and whatever you want to build and create and so you don't have to
Janet Tanguay: be the one to do the actual work sometimes. Yeah. So
Joanne Lockwood: tell me more about the work you do. Let's dive a bit deeper into the
Joanne Lockwood: end, into what brings you joy and happiness. The super
Joanne Lockwood: connector stuff and the way you've built your business up and getting funding for everybody.
Joanne Lockwood: Dive a bit deeper in that. Yeah. So I love building bridges between
Janet Tanguay: people, between all sorts of people. Right. I just see
Janet Tanguay: sometimes when I meet with people, I'm like, oh, they could benefit from that. Some
Janet Tanguay: people don't like to do that. Some people, when I sometimes ask for connections, some
Janet Tanguay: people just like, no, they're in my world and you can't have them. Right. Whatever.
Janet Tanguay: And so I, yeah, right. They're all mine. I'm not like that.
Janet Tanguay: I like to share my ideas, my thoughts, my friends. You know, if, if
Janet Tanguay: I can help somebody else in some way connect with someone who, who might
Janet Tanguay: benefit them, we're all better for it. So that's what I,
Janet Tanguay: that's what I love to do. And I, I, I'm a visionary. I'm not so
Janet Tanguay: good at the details. Sometimes I will say I need to surround myself with people
Janet Tanguay: that are really good with details because I can see the big picture. And sometimes
Janet Tanguay: I, I need, I need help with those, those details. So I do something
Janet Tanguay: called circle of influence or mind mapping or treasure mapping, they call it.
Janet Tanguay: And that helps me visually figure out where my networks are and how I can
Janet Tanguay: connect different people. They say sometimes. Do you know who Kevin Bacon is? Do you
Janet Tanguay: know that actor? Well, the actor, yeah. The guy that went bust and ended up
Joanne Lockwood: doing TV adverts, maybe. Yeah. Six degrees of Kevin Bacon, they say. So sometimes
Janet Tanguay: in my networks they say six degrees of Janet Tangway. So, so I'd like to
Janet Tanguay: be able to connect people, and I like to play that game, how many people
Janet Tanguay: till I can connect with this, this other person. Right. So, but that's what I
Janet Tanguay: love to do. And I think it helps people. Like I said, it somehow always
Janet Tanguay: comes back to me whether. I mean, that's not my intention. But lately, the older
Janet Tanguay: I get, I noticed that that happens more often when. You talk about the six
Joanne Lockwood: degrees of separation and those sort of things. I mean,
Joanne Lockwood: I knew someone really well who knew Boris Johnson. If you know
Joanne Lockwood: Boris Johnson, then Boris Johnson knows Barack Obama,
Joanne Lockwood: knows this person, knows that. So it's quite tenuous to
Joanne Lockwood: say I'm three removed from Barack Obama because there's no way I could get a
Joanne Lockwood: message from person B to person C to person D.
Joanne Lockwood: Even though I'm at six degrees of separation, I've got no influence in that sphere.
Joanne Lockwood: So it's trying to work out. It's not just your connection or potential
Joanne Lockwood: connections, it's your actual credibility of connections. And it's the hard bit.
Janet Tanguay: Yeah. And it's also not. I mean, I think one of the things that's really
Janet Tanguay: important is to not use those connection
Janet Tanguay: for personal gain. Right. Like it's genuine. Like nobody wants to connect
Janet Tanguay: me because they know I'm going to take care of that relationship and not take
Janet Tanguay: advantage of it. Right. So my hair stylist won an
Janet Tanguay: Oscar for the movie the Whale, and so she knows a lot of
Janet Tanguay: actors, but I'm not going to take advantage of that, you know, because
Janet Tanguay: our relationship is more important to me than whatever it is this other relationship is.
Janet Tanguay: Right. So it's nurturing, talking makeup
Joanne Lockwood: artists. I did a. A TV documentary in the UK and
Joanne Lockwood: documentary. We had a photo shoot towards the end and they hired an
Joanne Lockwood: mua, and it later transpired the. My MUA
Joanne Lockwood: on the day is this personal stylist for Joan Collins
Joanne Lockwood: and he often posts pictures of himself with Joan Collins
Joanne Lockwood: on his Instagram and everything else. And I thought, wow, you know, my
Joanne Lockwood: stylist does Joan Collins as well. You know, it's kind of a. Yeah, yeah.
Joanne Lockwood: So, yeah, it's hard to find what's important to you. Sometimes people, I mean,
Janet Tanguay: network, they don't care. Like if they're not into the movies, they don't really care.
Janet Tanguay: Right. About that stuff. So. But if people, you know, like film and
Janet Tanguay: video and all that, then they. Then they care about it. So it really depends
Janet Tanguay: on, you know, what's important. Maybe a sports figure would be more important.
Janet Tanguay: Right. So, yeah, I think it's nice to know people who.
Joanne Lockwood: Who know people as well. It's because they. They have storeys, they have.
Joanne Lockwood: They have depth in their life. I mean, I was. I'm always fascinated to
Joanne Lockwood: meet people and hear what's going on in their life. And I'm one of the
Joanne Lockwood: people that will go to a conference and I'll spend all the time talking to
Joanne Lockwood: people who are doing the waiting or the serving the food or clearing up. And
Joanne Lockwood: so, yes, and have chats with them and they're going to be. Why are you
Joanne Lockwood: talking to me for? I said, well, because you're probably more interested than half the
Joanne Lockwood: people in the room. Absolutely, yeah, yeah. Get to know people.
Janet Tanguay: Those are the people with, yeah, interesting storeys and. Yeah, a hundred percent.
Joanne Lockwood: There's one conference I went to and they hired some graffiti artists
Joanne Lockwood: and they created a graffiti wall. And it wasn't just random words or anything
Joanne Lockwood: like that, it was basically spraying. They had a, a plan and you,
Joanne Lockwood: what they do is you can go out there and grab your spray can and
Joanne Lockwood: fill in some segments or some gaps. And I just spent hours talking to
Joanne Lockwood: these graffiti artists about their life and how they, they are
Joanne Lockwood: proper London graffiti artists who spray walls and do all these sort of things
Joanne Lockwood: and really get to know about their tags and their networks and all this. And
Joanne Lockwood: they're showing me their Instagram and all their work they're doing. Have you had them
Janet Tanguay: on the box? I came away from that conference, I was fascinated with all this
Joanne Lockwood: stuff. Yeah, it was brilliant. That's great. I think my talk in the day was
Joanne Lockwood: later on and I was on stage and I referred to. I think I talked
Joanne Lockwood: to people. So how many people in this room talk to people they don't know?
Joanne Lockwood: How many people talk to people who are different to them? I said, how many
Joanne Lockwood: people have had a conversation with a graffiti artist? Everyone's like,
Joanne Lockwood: no, I said, I did. They're fascinating. Absolutely fascinating people.
Janet Tanguay: Yeah. That's how you learn, that's how you evolve, is by
Janet Tanguay: learning from other people and other. Right, yeah, I agree. We get stuck in our
Joanne Lockwood: little bubbles, don't we? And that's. This is the issue now. You're talking about being
Joanne Lockwood: a super connector, linking people from different cultures and generations.
Joanne Lockwood: And you can only do that if you, if you're interested in people. Absolutely, yeah.
Janet Tanguay: Sitting, sitting at a conference with people that might not look like you. Right. Or
Janet Tanguay: again, just even in your day to day routine, going to a different coffee shop
Janet Tanguay: every day, going to a different part of town and, you know, parking somewhere different
Janet Tanguay: and, you know, exercising in a different gym or
Janet Tanguay: whatever. Just getting to know people from a different
Janet Tanguay: perspective. To me it's enlightening, it's refreshing. It makes me a better
Janet Tanguay: person just by understanding who's around me.
Joanne Lockwood: I Like to play with my own biases sometimes. And if I walk into a
Joanne Lockwood: coffee shop or I walk into a restaurant or setting on a bus or a
Joanne Lockwood: train, something goes into my head saying, I don't want to sit next to that
Joanne Lockwood: person. I want to sit next to this person. I almost test myself. I go,
Joanne Lockwood: why don't I want to sit next to them? What is wrong? Or what have
Joanne Lockwood: I decided isn't right about that person? And I play with myself and go,
Joanne Lockwood: okay, I've got a bias. I've clearly decided in my head where
Joanne Lockwood: right and wrong is. I play with it. I don't necessarily change my mind, but
Joanne Lockwood: I want to challenge myself as to why I did that. I love that. Yeah,
Janet Tanguay: because we all have implicit bias, no matter if we think we don't. Right. So
Janet Tanguay: I love that. I'm going to play with that now, too, if you don't mind.
Janet Tanguay: I'm going to say if it happens next time in that situation. And
Joanne Lockwood: I found myself making different choices, you know, sitting in a restaurant, you know, at
Joanne Lockwood: a conference, you know, I will seek out someone who's sat on their own, or
Joanne Lockwood: I'll see out some random person who. And I just
Joanne Lockwood: go, I would never have a conversation with you. Just, hi, how are you? Just,
Joanne Lockwood: I often start the same way. Which part of the world are you from? How
Joanne Lockwood: has it taken you far to travel today? It's a really easy question that
Joanne Lockwood: anyone can answer. Yeah. And then to see what happens. Yeah. It's interesting that, that
Janet Tanguay: you bring that up, because I've been doing a lot of virtual work lately because
Janet Tanguay: I'm connecting with people internationally and, and I'm
Janet Tanguay: attending these networking groups, and they, they put you into little
Janet Tanguay: smaller groups. And I keep finding with many of them
Janet Tanguay: that I'm ending up with women my age
Janet Tanguay: who wear glasses. Right. And so here we are again. I know, right?
Janet Tanguay: It's true. It's true. And so, and, and I'm delighted to be here,
Janet Tanguay: but in those groups, I'm wondering, the more I'm in them,
Janet Tanguay: if. If they're putting us together on purpose, because I would love to meet
Janet Tanguay: other people that don't necessarily look like me. Right. And so
Janet Tanguay: I'm fine with the way I look. I just would like to meet a lot
Janet Tanguay: of different people. And so it's curious to me about whether it is really
Janet Tanguay: random and they're just pushing a button and we're ending in the rooms together or
Janet Tanguay: they're putting demographics together. So as I explore that further,
Janet Tanguay: I'm going to dive deeper and talk to the leaders to find out how that's
Janet Tanguay: done. You need a pink wig or something. You can sort of. There you go.
Janet Tanguay: Show up in disguise next time. That's great. Oh, yeah, I love that. A Groucho
Joanne Lockwood: mask. Marks with glasses and moustache and something. Just.
Janet Tanguay: Why I do these things. So this is good. This is good. Suggestions and Crazy
Joanne Lockwood: lady in room three, right? Yeah. I love that. It's wonderful.
Joanne Lockwood: But, I mean, since I. Yeah. I did transition, what, 10, 12 years
Joanne Lockwood: ago, and I've made far more real people than I've ever met in
Joanne Lockwood: my life before. I don't know if it's me or if it's them, but
Joanne Lockwood: I just attract people who are different these days, and that's great. Fantastic world.
Janet Tanguay: Yeah. The first job I ever had was working for a transgender woman.
Janet Tanguay: And it was wonderful. And this was in the 80s.
Joanne Lockwood: Wow. Yeah. Wow. Really, really great experience. A real. A real
Joanne Lockwood: elder of the community out and. Yes, absolutely. Yes. Yeah. And
Janet Tanguay: taught me so much. I was in. I was working in film and video at
Janet Tanguay: the time and learned a tremendous amount about it. I'm not
Janet Tanguay: technical at all, by the way, so we could be collaborative because I'm
Janet Tanguay: techn. Technically challenged, but I. I did learn a lot and it was a great
Janet Tanguay: experience. And so. Yeah, awesome, awesome. Yeah,
Joanne Lockwood: it's. Yeah, it's wild. Sometimes I think in my old life, I just went
Joanne Lockwood: safe, I just went easy. I just. Did you say that affinity bias, that
Joanne Lockwood: kind of visit bias we have about people who are different to us? Oh, it's
Joanne Lockwood: like. And I think maybe it's the marginalisation that you experience
Joanne Lockwood: yourself. You become kindred spirits with other people who are.
Janet Tanguay: Yeah, yeah. That could be rejected by society, for want of a better phrase.
Janet Tanguay: Yeah, yeah. And it's just not listening to other people. You know, I always give
Janet Tanguay: the example of, you know, my. My mom, when I was
Janet Tanguay: growing up, loved country music. And so every time Barbra Streisand came on the radio,
Janet Tanguay: she'd say, she's screechy. Whoop. And she would change the. Change the radio.
Janet Tanguay: Right. Change the station. And so makes beautiful music. Which I
Janet Tanguay: learned as an adult. Right. Somebody said, no, you need to sit down and listen.
Janet Tanguay: She's beautiful. It's beautiful. And so listen to every single album.
Janet Tanguay: And so just, you know, not believing what other people say and. And
Janet Tanguay: not. And just getting to know people is so important because if you take the
Janet Tanguay: time. It's really taking the time to get to know people. You learn so much.
Joanne Lockwood: Yeah. It's strange, isn't it? When. When you live to
Joanne Lockwood: our age, our white old age was 60ish. A lot
Joanne Lockwood: of our childhood artists are now passing away. And there was. I can't remember the
Joanne Lockwood: cheque yesterday. Pass away. The. The black singer. An actor, can't remember his
Joanne Lockwood: name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you suddenly. You suddenly become
Joanne Lockwood: re. Rekindling their relationship with these singers the day they pass away.
Joanne Lockwood: I wish I got into them. I should have been into them earlier and really
Joanne Lockwood: enjoyed their music. But it takes their passing for you. To be reminded of it,
Janet Tanguay: right? Yeah. Because we're just all so busy and I think that's part of it
Janet Tanguay: too. People are just busy in their own again routines and patterns that they're not
Janet Tanguay: getting out of their comfort zone to go meet other people and. Yeah, well. And
Joanne Lockwood: Taylor Swift's knocking out music every day, so you got to keep up with
Joanne Lockwood: her, her catalogue. It's not easy. It's not easy to chuck out
Joanne Lockwood: 20 tracks on a Sunday night or something. You think? Gotta absorb those.
Joanne Lockwood: Yeah. I can't keep up with the. The seventies
Joanne Lockwood: anymore, but I was. I discovered Barry Manilow
Joanne Lockwood: probably about five or six years ago. I was going through this, I would say
Joanne Lockwood: melancholy phase, but just a real deep sort of, kind of.
Joanne Lockwood: Yeah. And I just started listening to Barry Manilow and I thought, wow, there's some
Joanne Lockwood: really great stuff in here. 20 years ago I would have
Joanne Lockwood: gone Barry Manilow near that. Lived very. My whole
Janet Tanguay: teen angst period was all about Barry Manilow. So I think I know
Janet Tanguay: every song that he ever wrote. Yeah, some of them are really, really
Joanne Lockwood: deep and some of the vocals and some of the words. I think
Joanne Lockwood: it's incredibly powerful words. I think we lose a lot of that sometimes. You know,
Joanne Lockwood: it's too busy dancing to it or doing whatever we're doing. Not enough to just
Joanne Lockwood: put your headphones in and on and just to listen to the words. Yeah, yeah.
Janet Tanguay: The lyrics are so important sometimes, but you write it. Other things, you know,
Janet Tanguay: shine brighter. Yeah, yeah. I suppose having it.
Joanne Lockwood: Having a new puppy. I've got an opportunity now just to put.
Joanne Lockwood: Generally just go for random playlists on Apple and I just say
Joanne Lockwood: the mix that today's mix or whatever it is. And some of it's
Joanne Lockwood: modern, some of it's old, but yeah, it's really nice to just get hit with
Joanne Lockwood: something different because I think that's the difference between music
Joanne Lockwood: you pick and then radio. Radio, you get what they give you.
Joanne Lockwood: And that's very eclectic sometimes. Obviously the DJ is going to put
Joanne Lockwood: their eclectic mix on whatever their genre is, but Sometimes you hear songs you haven't
Joanne Lockwood: heard for years and I think listen to a popular music that covers our
Joanne Lockwood: age group, whatever that may be. You get a broad range
Joanne Lockwood: from the 60s all the way through to the current. And
Joanne Lockwood: yeah, I think it's lovely. Again, that randomness. So what's the top of
Joanne Lockwood: your vision board right now then? What's the thing that. What's at the
Janet Tanguay: top? Yeah, for mine it's global influencer.
Janet Tanguay: So. And it's funny because I don't like to be on stages like you. I
Janet Tanguay: don't have a podcast and I don't, I don't speak in front of people. And
Janet Tanguay: so, but I, but I do write and I do things in my. My own
Janet Tanguay: way and, and I really, I feel like I have some messaging, so I am
Janet Tanguay: writing my memoir and, and it has some funny storeys in there about my
Janet Tanguay: childhood and, and lessons learned and it's about business and dreams
Janet Tanguay: and all of that. So. So I really,
Janet Tanguay: I want to learn about other cultures in a much deeper way.
Janet Tanguay: So that's my, my next iteration. That's the what
Joanne Lockwood: and the why is the joy is. Yeah,
Janet Tanguay: yeah, yeah. And actually, joy, you asked what was at the top of my
Janet Tanguay: board? The word joy is at the top of my board also. So I want
Janet Tanguay: to always have that around me. Yeah. And what's the picture of?
Janet Tanguay: Oh, it's the word. The word. The joy is a word. Just the word joy.
Janet Tanguay: The joy is the word. Yeah, I'm a word. I'm trying to think if I
Janet Tanguay: have. Pictures are typically travel. That's what
Janet Tanguay: I have on the board for pictures of places.
Janet Tanguay: But for other things I have mostly words and affirmations and
Janet Tanguay: things like that. It's strange, as I was asking you that question
Joanne Lockwood: and saying, what's your picture at the top? I was thinking, what's my picture at
Joanne Lockwood: the top of my board? I've no idea. No idea. I've often used
Joanne Lockwood: the word freedom as a goal. And what I
Joanne Lockwood: mean by freedom is freedom, a choice to choose
Joanne Lockwood: about whatever I want. So enough, sufficient money, sufficient
Joanne Lockwood: wealth, sufficient family, sufficient whatever it may be, so that
Joanne Lockwood: I have freedom of choice to do whatever I want to do. I think that's
Joanne Lockwood: probably the word I'm looking for. And that's not gluttony,
Joanne Lockwood: that's efficiency based. Absolutely. So I'd be curious to see
Janet Tanguay: what image you could find to represent that. I mean, words are fine. You
Janet Tanguay: can do words or images. But I would be curious to know what images you
Janet Tanguay: could find around that word. I always used to talk about.
Joanne Lockwood: And this is a part of my life, I suppose
Joanne Lockwood: I used three zones. One was a cage, one was a safari
Joanne Lockwood: park and one was the Serengeti in Africa. And
Joanne Lockwood: it was about not living in a cage, living by someone else's permission,
Joanne Lockwood: doing as you're told. You have no agency, no nothing. And
Joanne Lockwood: I didn't want to be in the wild where I was under threat from having
Joanne Lockwood: to find my own food and alligators and being eaten, all this kind of stuff.
Joanne Lockwood: I wanted to find a safari park where I was living with other creatures
Joanne Lockwood: within the bounds of a rule set, fences. But there's no dangerous
Joanne Lockwood: animals in there. People would come and feed me, I had sufficient this and I
Joanne Lockwood: would never be dragged off into the cage or never be thrown out into the
Joanne Lockwood: dark. So the safari part was my model of how I wanted to
Joanne Lockwood: exist in the world. Know the rules, know the limits, know the
Joanne Lockwood: boundaries, but never find the fence. But you know, they're
Joanne Lockwood: there somewhere. So that, that's my definition of freedom really is not
Joanne Lockwood: living in a cage by someone else's permission or not being
Joanne Lockwood: anarchic and living in a wild. Right, right, right. But interesting
Janet Tanguay: that there is a fence there at all. So you're not living. Yeah,
Joanne Lockwood: fences make, you know, good fences make good neighbours, you know. Absolutely. Yeah.
Joanne Lockwood: But you live in a society that has rules and rule sets. So which are
Joanne Lockwood: the fences? But if the rules don't impact me,
Joanne Lockwood: because I. I'm quite happy to stay with. As long as I stay within six
Joanne Lockwood: feet inside the fence, I never notice the fence. It's when I want to
Joanne Lockwood: push them, they don't work for me. So if I can find a safari part
Joanne Lockwood: where I don't notice the fences, that. That's got to be freedom, hasn't it? Yeah.
Janet Tanguay: That's beautiful. I love that. Thank you for sharing that. Yeah,
Joanne Lockwood: I think so, I think so. That's a memory I had
Joanne Lockwood: going through difficult times in my life where I was, I suppose, living by other
Joanne Lockwood: people's permission, other people's rule sets, other people's control
Joanne Lockwood: and being told what I could and couldn't do. And I think
Joanne Lockwood: that's why I was always. I've written a blog about it, finding my safari park.
Joanne Lockwood: And that's what it's about, finding that place where I can live without being
Joanne Lockwood: answerable on a day by day basis. Just understand the rules.
Janet Tanguay: I would love to see a vision board around this. Yeah,
Janet Tanguay: yeah, just, just having that vision, see it, seeing it visually,
Janet Tanguay: you know. Yeah. Well, who knows? Who knows?
Joanne Lockwood: Maybe. Maybe I've got lots of blogs. Lots of blogs. So. Okay, maybe
Joanne Lockwood: what I'll do is I'll. I'll feed them into AI and say, make sense of
Joanne Lockwood: that, please. Yeah, absolutely. Copy the images there. I love that. Yeah,
Joanne Lockwood: yeah. I've never, I've never really got into the vision board thing, but now, now
Joanne Lockwood: we have this great conversation. I'm going to definitely. Yeah. Well, I think
Joanne Lockwood: I'll do it with my business first because my wife is my business partner
Joanne Lockwood: and we've actually got planning sessions scheduled in for Friday
Joanne Lockwood: to talk about our marketing goals and where we're going to take things. So that's.
Joanne Lockwood: That's probably a good idea to. So I'm going to give you another. Another little
Janet Tanguay: secret tool that I use in my vision boarding that I think you would have
Janet Tanguay: fun with since you like music, is that I use an app called
Janet Tanguay: Suno. There's another one called Create. And when you're finished with
Janet Tanguay: your vision or you're bored in some way, you ask Suno to pick
Janet Tanguay: a genre and then put your dream in there, whatever it
Janet Tanguay: is, and it creates a beautiful song about your
Janet Tanguay: vision and it's really fun. Oh, okay. That's beautiful. Yeah, I
Joanne Lockwood: like that. Yeah. All right. Suno. S U N O S u
Janet Tanguay: N O. Yeah. Yeah. And again, there may be other apps, but that's the one
Janet Tanguay: I really like a lot. And people are blown away when it, when they. At
Janet Tanguay: the end of my vision board sessions, when they. They have this song created
Janet Tanguay: for them around their vision. So there's other AI tools that we're using now too,
Janet Tanguay: so that are really, really fun putting your own images and
Janet Tanguay: into the vision board and all sorts of things. I just
Joanne Lockwood: keyed it into Google and someone cheated and inserted a paid out
Joanne Lockwood: of top cool, which wasn't suno. So. Yeah.
Joanne Lockwood: Suno.com. Okay. Suno. Make a house song about quitting
Joanne Lockwood: your job. Yeah, right. Exactly. Anything you want. Yeah, yeah.
Janet Tanguay: It's really, really fun. I do that. Do it for friends for their birthdays and
Janet Tanguay: things like that. And so you can create. The more you put, the better language
Janet Tanguay: you put in, the better the song is coming out. So take some time with
Janet Tanguay: it and you can really create some fun things. Oh, I just found something really
Joanne Lockwood: cool in it. You can separate the stems as well. I often go to Epidemic
Joanne Lockwood: Sounds and find these tunes and then just strip out the drum track. So I
Joanne Lockwood: really love just the tribalism of drums going away.
Janet Tanguay: Yeah. So, yeah, I could, I could definitely
Joanne Lockwood: come up with something and then just strip out the drums. You're so technical. You
Janet Tanguay: go right to the technology. That's great. Yeah, beautiful,
Joanne Lockwood: right? Hey, I've got something to play with now. I'm going to feed my blog
Joanne Lockwood: into that later. Yeah, I can't wait. Janet, it's been amazing.
Joanne Lockwood: We could yak on for hours. I'm sure. And it's a good job I'm
Joanne Lockwood: not too close to you. Otherwise I'd be driving up and spending an afternoon.
Janet Tanguay: Anytime you're here, feel free to stop by. So it's been a pleasure.
Joanne Lockwood: So how can. How can our listener get hold of you? Sure. So My
Janet Tanguay: website is hammockwayoflife.com and I'm
Janet Tanguay: on Amazon under my name, Janet Tanguay. You can find all my books there. I
Janet Tanguay: just created a new journal there about visioning. I'm on
Janet Tanguay: LinkedIn as Jazzy Jan. And on
Janet Tanguay: Facebook and Instagram is Hammock Wave Life as well.
Janet Tanguay: Watch for my books, Unstoppable Women in Business. There's an anthology.
Janet Tanguay: I have a chapter in that book. I have a chapter in Inspiration to Success.
Janet Tanguay: Excuse me. And my. The new book is going to be called Hammock
Janet Tanguay: Way of Life. That's my memoir, Love that. I'm going to. I'm going to
Joanne Lockwood: look that up now. And Tanguay is spelled T A N G
Joanne Lockwood: U A Y for anyone who is looking to find you
Joanne Lockwood: or Jazzy Jan sounds easier. Jazzy Jan is easier. Yes. Yes.
Janet Tanguay: Janetanguay is on Amazon and I have some children's books, too. One of them is
Janet Tanguay: about being who you want to be when you grow up. It's called Be Be.
Janet Tanguay: That one might also be relevant, too. The other one is called Dust Bunnies Don't
Janet Tanguay: Eat Carrots. But you have to order that one from my website. I love that
Janet Tanguay: it's about big names. I love that. Maybe I need to read that children's book
Joanne Lockwood: because I still haven't figured out who I want to be when I grow up.
Joanne Lockwood: I'm still working. Right? We all haven't. I think sometimes we all haven't. Right. You're
Janet Tanguay: still. We're all in growth mode. Janet, it's been absolutely fantastic. Thank you so
Joanne Lockwood: much. I agree. This is fun. As we bring this
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